All cops should just quit today!

[EricTheRed]

Funny how you guys talk about the rich and criminals as two separate types of people.

[bulldogs85]

Originally Posted by Pillbox Joe

The only absolute that I can see in the profession is that it requires a person with a self righteous attitude that desires authority over others. Just like politicians, but not so ambitious. There will always be haters.

Hmmm. I can see your point about that, but I think you labeled it wrong. I don't think it is self-righteous as much as it is having a willingness to do a dirty but necessary job. I have never thought of myself as better than anyone. Different? Sure. All people in their profession are different than those who have their own motives to choose their professoin.

Almost all the guys I worked with, in police and Army, seem to have the attitude of "Someone has to do this job, I am able, why not me?" So, yes, in a way, you are right about the self-righteous thing, but not in an arrogant way (again, there are the bad apples). But, cops do think and know they have basically lived clean lives and are willing to risk their lives for others.

As for the desire for authority over others, again, partially agree, partially don't. Yes, we've all been driving on the road and seen some idiot speeding and weaving through traffic, cuts us off, and we think "God D*** I wish I was a cop". Well, kind of the same line of thought. Many cops wanted this job because they saw problems in society, and wanted to help attempt to fix them. So, maybe you have half a point there. BUT.....my argument is it isn't out of arrogance, but out of a sense of duty. There is a reason why cops who are off duty don't wear "POLICE" tee shirts. You probably see plenty of cops in plain clothes daily and don't know it. Why? When we are off, we want nothing more than to NOT be a cop for the day!!! We mostly dont' want that authority unless we are on duty. If we were a bunch of ego maniacs we would walk around on our days off with "POLICE" tee shirts, gun and badge visible, etc.

All I ask is don't confuse the sorry ass YouTube Cops- you know the ones I mean- with the rest of us who humbly do our service to the community and are proud of our job, like anyone else would be of theirs. It is tough, however, working in arguably the most hated profession in America by the people we know we may have to die protecting one day.

[bulldogs85]

Originally Posted by MicroFhoneFiend

They do all this for $40K because the only other jobs they qualify for are being given to illegals who don't drive or speak English.

Hey, nice intellectual argument. CALEA certification- which is national accredidation for police and sheriff depts- requires minimum 2 years college. Probably more than you have seeing the intellectual counter-arguments you have offered. All PD's dont have CALEA cert, but the good ones do, or are working towards it.

"Dumb cop" is a common argument. Nice comeback. You did a lot to convince me my argument was wrong.

[Pillbox Joe]

Originally Posted by bulldogs85

All I ask is don't confuse the sorry ass YouTube Cops- you know the ones I mean- with the rest of us who humbly do our service to the community and are proud of our job

Originally Posted by bulldogs85

I've got more guns, ammo and training than any 10 people combined that I've LEGALLY arrested. I'm not worried about anything, trust me.

.... okay rambo

just remember, if you die in the line of duty, and with possession being 9/10 of the law, you weren't doing it for all americans, but the chances are that you will die protecting some rich mans investments.

but if, by some chance, you die jumping in front of some bullet to save a kid, more power to you.

[bulldogs85]

Originally Posted by branvan16

how is it that middle class and wealthy people are despised? the only thing that seperates them and poor people is the fact that they know how to manage money. they understand it and can have it flow to them easily. i hate how they are called "greedy". why, because they understand how to make a large portion of money and provid for their family and never have to worry about it?

i realise that there are very incompetent and greedy people out there who dont deserve a dime they have. a person named Paris Hitlon comes to mind. it is what it is. we cant help that she has that kind of money. but to generalize a hard working man/woman who understands business, cash flow, and how to be successful in a term like "greedy" is ignorant. you mentioned survival of the fittest. well, it may not apply as much today as it did hundreds of years ago, but it still does. the fittest being people capable of breaking out of the low income brackets. to be honest, most wealthy people probably wouldnt stick around America if it ever came down to haveing no law enforcement. there are much better countries out there than the United States.

no one on Sherdog can tell me that they would not want to be in a position of wealth if they arent already. bulldog85, you cant tell me you wouldnt love to be one of the wealthy people in the American society. i would love to be wealthy and i wouldnt be ashamed of the fact that i made more money than some broke ass out in the streets. i feel for people in bad positions but if they are able bodied, then there should be no reason for them to be broke. if Bill Gates and Warren Buffet can make billions, then anyone else with a brain and working body parts is just as capable. you just need to find a way. anyways, im not wealthy by any means, and i think that the comment about wealthy people being greedy is just plain ignorant. just my opinion. doesnt really matter to the rest of the world.

Hey man, I was just using an example. I'm all for making money. There are good people and bad people in poor, middle and upper communities. I was just saying that that these people of all classes would prey on the good people- of all classes- in a copless society.

[branvan16]

Originally Posted by bulldogs85

Hey man, I was just using an example. I'm all for making money. There are good people and bad people in poor, middle and upper communities. I was just saying that that these people of all classes would prey on the good people- of all classes- in a copless society.

ok, thats cool then. just came off in a different way to myself. i understand that.

[branvan16]

i pretty much jumped the gun on that one. lol. i read the whole thing, but when i saw wealthy and greedy together i was like "fuck that".

[GermanBJJ]

Originally Posted by bulldogs85

I disagree. It's not about being "special". It's about being "willing". Are you willing to risk your own life to defend a stranger?

Sure. Most people are willing to do what police or soldiers do if they feel it is worth their effort. Look at WWII for example. Regular Joes took up arms en masse to defend strangers half way around the world.

And logically, police forces are at an all-time high as a percentage of citizenry in this country. What were those people doing 2 or 3 decades ago when police forces were smaller? Were they operating as vigilantes, helping the innocent by jumping in front of bullets? No, they were doing normal jobs just like everyone else.

Being a police officer is just a job, like any other. If the police officer salaries were doubled tomorrow, you'd see normal folk lining up to get that job. If the police salaries were cut in half tomorrow, you would see police officers leaving the force for normal jobs.

Are there some Tackleberry types that live and breath law enforcement and would do it for free? Sure. But that's a very small number of police officers.

[bulldogs85]

Originally Posted by Pillbox Joe

.... okay rambo

just remember, if you die in the line of duty, and with possession being 9/10 of the law, you weren't doing it for all americans, but the chances are that you will die protecting some rich mans investments.

but if, by some chance, you die jumping in front of some bullet to save a kid, more power to you.

The guns and ammo comment was made because some moron thug was implying a threat. Go read it in context. And yes, I've had people I've arrested come look for me at my home and out in public when I was off-duty with my family. I am a very fair person on the job, and actually prefer being "not a cop" on my days off. But if some thug wants to make it personal, then yes, there is a reason so many cops keep more than enough guns and ammo at home.

Protecting some rich mans investments? Isn't that what our soldiers are doing also? Police, like the military, can't think about the big-picture of their mission, only the mission. Yes, if a cop started thinking "I'm going to catch this armed burglar because he stole something from the billionaire Wal-Mart company and he may shoot me if I try to arrest him for it" then our police departments become weaker and order in society slowly erodes as consequences become less likely.

I do my job with absolute respect to every citizen. I believe 110% in the 4th amendment, every word of it, and would rather quit than violate that amendment. But I also will protect myself at all times, on and off-duty.

[GermanBJJ]

Originally Posted by Pillbox Joe

... you cant be serious ... we never rid ourselves of aristocracy, because it goes hand in hand with capitalism. We simply changed their labels.

Theoretically, capitalism is the ultimate meritocracy. We no longer have the ideas of noble birth like we used to (meaning people are special because of some intrinsic birthright.) In capitalist nations, it's shit or get off the pot.