All cops should just quit today!

[GermanBJJ]

Originally Posted by bulldogs85

Some people are wolves. Some are sheep. And some are dogs.

This is just silly. Soldiers, cops and people of other jobs aren't different kinds of people. They just do different jobs. That's what happens in modern economies -- labor is divided. Most soldiers I know weren't born to be soldiers. It was just one option they chose.

You can't use the argument that police and soldiers are special people when you want the praise of your peers while at the same time using the argument that police and soldiers are people like everyone else when they make mistakes.

Either you're special or you're not. Pick one.

[bulldogs85]

Originally Posted by Pillbox Joe

But another problem is that even a "sheep" or a non violent non criminal person can be driven to violence and to defend himself if necessary. This is why everyone didn't kill each other off before modern society. People aren't so defenseless as you make them sound.

True. I get your point about everyone can't be labeled so simply. That Army guy was just making an observation, and I think it was a good one. But, all "dogs" don't have to be military or police. A "dog" can just be a husband who is prepared to defend his family if needed, and hopefully will never have to.

[USAMMAFAN]

lol if anything cops get special treatment

assault and murder of a peace officer is a much more severe crime then if I was to be murdered or assualted

[GermanBJJ]

Originally Posted by bulldogs85

Imagine if those dirt poor countries also had neighborhoods of extreme wealth and a culture of greed and selfishness instead of survival. Like America does. Think those middle class and wealthy would become targets of the dirt poor and desperate? Of course. Think some of the greedy people who were already middle class or wealthy would take advantage of a no-consequence society and get more material or sexual gratification through force and survival of the fittest? I'd bet they would.

Lack of police doesn't mean lack of consequences. I don't know why you are making that argument. It just means there aren't state actors to enforce rules via violence.

But the fact remains that relative wealth is a factor in crime. It's like modern America would turn into a post-apocalyptic wasteland if cops were to stop working. Crime would probably increase but we wouldn't be Afghanistan or Iraq.

[Pillbox Joe]

The only absolute that I can see in the profession is that it requires a person with a self righteous attitude that desires authority over others. Just like politicians, but not so ambitious. There will always be haters.

[bulldogs85]

Originally Posted by GermanBJJ

This is just silly. Soldiers, cops and people of other jobs aren't different kinds of people. They just do different jobs. That's what happens in modern economies -- labor is divided. Most soldiers I know weren't born to be soldiers. It was just one option they chose.

You can't use the argument that police and soldiers are special people when you want the praise of your peers while at the same time using the argument that police and soldiers are people like everyone else when they make mistakes.

Either you're special or you're not. Pick one.

I disagree. It's not about being "special". It's about being "willing". Are you willing to risk your own life to defend a stranger? It's just my opinion, but cops and soldiers are not the same type people that become doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc. And I dont' mean that in a moral or status way. I just mean that they have different- not better or worse- values. Teachers like to teach. I couldn't do that job. I just don't have the patience to deal with kids. Doctors like to heal, and make money. They look at MMA fighters and wonder WTF would a guy get into a cage for? Some people love to cook, love to work on cars, etc.

And just like a person's motivation for any job, someone must have a motivation to risk being shot to protect strangers and get paid 40K or less for it, and work shifts where one doesn't see their family and kids much.

Again, it's not about anyone being "special", it's about being willing to do something. Doctors were willing to go to school for 10 years. Teachers are willing to deal with snot nosed kids and parents in denial. Cops and soldiers are willing to risk death to protect strangers.

[MicroFhoneFiend]

Originally Posted by bulldogs85

Thats a damn good point. Agree completely. A cop must be a bit "off" to put on a vest, gun, badge, go into bad neighborhoods almost always alone, with backup nearby though, and enforce laws on strangers who are often armed and desperate, work insane hours, and be bitten, stabbed, pissed on, have people shit in the car, puke in it, shoot at us and be despised by a significant % of soceity.....and all for a starting salary of 30-45K. And to keep doing it out of "duty".

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They do all this for $40K because the only other jobs they qualify for are being given to illegals who don't drive or speak English.

[GermanBJJ]

Originally Posted by Pillbox Joe

The only absolute that I can see in the profession is that it requires a person with a self righteous attitude that desires authority over others. Just like politicians, but not so ambitious. There will always be haters.

I don't think is true, it just seems that way because of the position they have relative to average citizens. It is only human to, at some level, dislike those with authority to tell you what to do. That's perfectly healthy and rational. I don't know where this idea that disrespecting authority is a bad thing. Police, soldiers, judges, Presidents, Congresspeople, they are all just human being like you and I. They make mistakes, they get emotional, they have good and bad days.

Citizens deserve just as much respect as police because we are all just people. We threw out the ideas of aristocracy a long time ago.

[Pillbox Joe]

Originally Posted by GermanBJJ

I don't think is true, it just seems that way because of the position they have relative to average citizens. It is only human to, at some level, dislike those with authority to tell you what to do. That's perfectly healthy and rational. I don't know where this idea that disrespecting authority is a bad thing. Police, soldiers, judges, Presidents, Congresspeople, they are all just human being like you and I. They make mistakes, they get emotional, they have good and bad days.

Citizens deserve just as much respect as police because we are all just people. We threw out the ideas of aristocracy a long time ago.

... you cant be serious ... we never rid ourselves of aristocracy, because it goes hand in hand with capitalism. We simply changed their labels.

[branvan16]

Originally Posted by bulldogs85

Imagine if those dirt poor countries also had neighborhoods of extreme wealth and a culture of greed and selfishness instead of survival. Like America does. Think those middle class and wealthy would become targets of the dirt poor and desperate? Of course. Think some of the greedy people who were already middle class or wealthy would take advantage of a no-consequence society and get more material or sexual gratification through force and survival of the fittest? I'd bet they would.

how is it that middle class and wealthy people are despised? the only thing that seperates them and poor people is the fact that they know how to manage money. they understand it and can have it flow to them easily. i hate how they are called "greedy". why, because they understand how to make a large portion of money and provid for their family and never have to worry about it?

i realise that there are very incompetent and greedy people out there who dont deserve a dime they have. a person named Paris Hitlon comes to mind. it is what it is. we cant help that she has that kind of money. but to generalize a hard working man/woman who understands business, cash flow, and how to be successful in a term like "greedy" is ignorant. you mentioned survival of the fittest. well, it may not apply as much today as it did hundreds of years ago, but it still does. the fittest being people capable of breaking out of the low income brackets. to be honest, most wealthy people probably wouldnt stick around America if it ever came down to haveing no law enforcement. there are much better countries out there than the United States.

no one on Sherdog can tell me that they would not want to be in a position of wealth if they arent already. bulldog85, you cant tell me you wouldnt love to be one of the wealthy people in the American society. i would love to be wealthy and i wouldnt be ashamed of the fact that i made more money than some broke ass out in the streets. i feel for people in bad positions but if they are able bodied, then there should be no reason for them to be broke. if Bill Gates and Warren Buffet can make billions, then anyone else with a brain and working body parts is just as capable. you just need to find a way. anyways, im not wealthy by any means, and i think that the comment about wealthy people being greedy is just plain ignorant. just my opinion. doesnt really matter to the rest of the world.