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03-18-2006, 01:17 PM
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Brown Belt
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Aaarghh! Liberal Justice System!
So this fuckin kid in my town brought a gun to his middle school and shot 2 kids.
Kid is 14, and according to cops, plotted the shit for weeks before executing his plan.
The shocking part: The DA, given a choice of whether to charge him as an adult or a juvenile, chose to charge him as a juvenile. Which means he will be released when he is 21 at the latest.
Less than 7 years for shooting 2 people. In Reno, Nevada. Not exactly a 'liberal' state.
What the Fuck?
I can tell you that when I was 14, I damn well knew that shooting someone outside of the context of a self defense situation is not acceptable.
The little bastard understood what he was doing. He wasn't in special ed.
This kid will get out in a few years if he even does any hard time,
rather than just getting sent to some rehab program, which is likely.
And mark my words, he will do this again.
He will shoot, rob, or otherwise behave inapropriately and in a harmful manner to the people around him. Look at Lionel Tate.
If you ask me, the kid should just be shot.
I might accept a severe beating, something to make him think,
"Oh shit. If I shoot someone, I might just get fucked up. I better not do that.".
Fuckin kids these days. Little sonsabitches. Ingrates and derelicts, the lot of 'em.
They ain't got no respect.
I'ma get my gun.
The teenage boy accused of firing a pistol in a middle school hallway will not face adult charges, but instead was moved Friday to a juvenile detention facility to face two counts of battery with a deadly weapon.
Washoe District Attorney Richard Gammick said the evidence did not support adult charges against James Scott Newman, 14. Newman was originally booked on suspicion of attempted murder with a deadly weapon after Tuesday's shooting at Pine Middle School injured two students.
"It has been determined after a review of the evidence and meetings between prosecutors and police personnel that the requirement of specific intent to kill cannot be met from the facts of the case," Gammick said in a statement.
Newman's lawyer, David Houston, praised the prosecutor's decision.
"I think it shows consideration of the facts and the circumstances of this case and this boy," Houston said. "He's just a very confused 14-year-old who's very frightened."
Newman was moved Friday from the Washoe County Jail to the Jan Evans Juvenile Justice Center, Gammick said. He'll face two counts of battery with a deadly weapon, "as well as any other charges that may be supported by the facts," Gammick said.
He's scheduled for a court hearing at the center on Monday.
The eighth-grader was arrested Tuesday after opening fire in a school hallway with a .38-caliber pistol that he had taken without permission from his home.
According to police, Newman put the gun inside his coat pocket while in the bathroom and then came out and saw a student walk by. He aimed at his back and pulled the trigger twice, but the gun didn't fire, police said.
Newman then moved near the student and fired three more shots, police said. One hit the 14-year-old in the arm, while another ricocheted off the floor and grazed the leg of another student as she knelt by her locker.
Gym teacher Jencie ***an convinced Newman to throw the gun down, and hugged him until police arrived. Rueda was hospitalized, treated and released. McKeon was treated at the scene.
Early on Friday, Newman appeared for an arraignment in Reno Justice Court on a large screen through a video telecast from the Washoe County Jail. He wore red short-sleeved prison garb and did not speak during the hearing.
Deputy District Attorney Elliott Sattler told Justice of the Peace Fidel Salcedo that prosecutors were still in the process of reviewing the evidence to determine whether Newman would face adult charges. Salcedo continued the arraignment until Tuesday.
Gammick announced that Newman would not be charged as an adult late Friday afternoon.
The decision to drop the attempted murder charge was made despite a Reno police detective's statement that Newman had spent about a week planning the attack that injured two Pine Middle School students.
Among other things, the police affidavit said Newman researched the 1999 Columbine High School killings on the Internet and -- in choosing his weapon -- decided against using a knife because "he did not want to be up close when blood came out of any of the victims."
On the day of the shooting, Newman "took the bus to Pine Middle School with the intention of using a handgun he obtained from his parents' bedroom to kill students at his school," according to a search warrant affidavit by police Det. John Ferguson.
Newman was arrested moments after the shots were fired and taken to the police station, where he "waived his rights," Ferguson said.
Newman also was "adamant he did not want his parents present during the interview," Ferguson wrote, and it continued until Newman's father arrived and requested it stop until they could consult a lawyer.
Houston declined to comment specifically Friday on whether he would have challenged the statement Newman provided police upon his arrest in the absence of a lawyer or his parents.
But he told the Associated Press "it is always unfortunate when a juvenile is questioned without a lawyer or parent present."
"Fundamentally, the objective of all parties is to protect the constitutional rights of those accused," he said.
Instead of the Tuesday arraignment, Newman is scheduled to appear at a hearing at the juvenile detention facility on Monday morning to determine whether he can be released. Following this appearance, charges will be filed and Newman will enter his plea.
Gammick said if convicted, Newman could ultimately be incarcerated at the Summit View youth prison in North Las Vegas until he turns 21, or be released and placed on parole.
Houston said no decision has been made on how Newman will plead. The attorney, however, said the teenager has expressed sorrow and sympathy for the students he hurt, and for the pain he has caused his own family.
"He had no grudges against these people," Houston said. "We have a very confused, frightened little boy who couldn't come up with a better way to deal with the depression he was in."
Houston also said that Newman's parents were remorseful for the families of the students who were hurt, and hoped to have contact with them.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...603180333/1002
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03-18-2006, 01:19 PM
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Feel better now, Gramps?
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03-18-2006, 01:20 PM
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battery with a deadly weapon? for shooting 2 people? wtf
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03-18-2006, 01:26 PM
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This is what happens when you remove corporal punishment from schools.
An eighth-grade student accused of opening fire in his middle school hallway, hitting one student, planned at least a week in advance to shoot and kill his classmates because he was tired of them making fun of him, according to court documents released Thursday.
Police believe James Scott Newman, 14, was further inspired to go through with the Tuesday shooting at Pine Middle School after he researched the 1999 Columbine High School shooting rampage on the Internet, officers said in a court affidavit.
Police said Thursday they found drawings in Newman's locker of stick figures lying on the ground near guns with the words "die" and "kill" written on them. One note said that "no one will know me now, but tomorrow they will," Reno Sgt. Randy Saulnier said.
Newman was scheduled to be arraigned this morning, but prosecutors said late Thursday they were still investigating the case to determine whether the teen can be charged as an adult. In order to charge him with attempted murder with use of a deadly weapon, they must be able to show that he had a specific intent to kill, said Deputy District Attorney Elliott Sattler.
If that decision is not made by arraignment time, the prosecutor said he will ask the Justice of the Peace to postpone the hearing until Monday.
Newman remained in the Washoe County Jail on Thursday with bail set at $150,000.
The boy's attorney, David Houston, said Newman is despondent and confused and "has a great deal of difficulty accepting what he has done." Houston said he hopes Newman, who has not yet been psychologically evaluated, would be tried as a juvenile.
"The best thing we can accomplish is to determine why this happened ... here is a situation where a young man, for reasons unknown, has involved himself in a level no one ever thought possible and seems totally out of character," he said. "We need to take time to evaluate this situation."
Houston said Newman did not show any signs he would partake in violence. He called the incident tragic for the families of the injured students and for Newman and his family.
"There obviously had been a great deal going on that he was unable to cope with," Houston said. "His parents feel horrible for the families and want to offer their apologies. They are beyond the definition of sorry."
Police officers gave the following account of the shooting in court documents filed Thursday:
Tuesday morning, Newman boarded his school bus with the revolver he took from his parents' bedroom, along with three rounds he took from a bullet collection his father gave to him the day before. He tucked the gun into his notebook.
The boy had wanted to bring an air gun with him to hurt more kids but couldn't find any cartridges for the weapon.
"(Newman) was aware of what could happen as a result of his actions," the police affidavit said. "(He) said he had no specific target, and he was unsure if he would be able to kill more than one person as he only had three rounds."
Once inside Pine Middle School, Newman went into the bathroom and put the gun in his coat pocket. On his way out, he saw Alex Rueda, 14, walk by and "he decided he would start by shooting this person," the affidavit said.
One of Newman's friends saw him pull out the gun and yelled at him to put it away, documents said. Newman then told the friend to run.
"(Newman) aimed the firearm at (Rueda's) back and pulled the trigger twice," the affidavit said.
Newman twice fired at Rueda, police allege, but his revolver did not fire as the hammer fell on two empty chambers.
He then stood parallel to Rueda while still aiming the gun at his back, and shot at him three more times. Two of the rounds struck other objects but the third struck Rueda in the arm. One of the bullets ricocheted off the floor and grazed the leg of Kenzie McKeon, 14, who had been kneeling by her lower locker.
Gym teacher Jencie ***an, who had been hanging volleyball nets in the gym near where the shooting occurred, rushed to the scene and found Newman holding the gun. She called his name. He had been in her gym class since September when he transferred from a Las Vegas school.
***an, an 18-year teaching veteran, convinced Newman to drop the gun, and put him in a bear hug until police arrived and handcuffed him.
Rueda is recovering from his injury at his home.
Reno police hail ***an as a hero who risked her life. During an interview with Good Morning America on Thursday with Lt. Ron Donnelly of Reno police, she said any mother would have done the same thing.
"I think anybody else would have done it," ***an told "Good Morning America." "I look at the students as if they're my own, and I'm sure the teachers at my daughter's high school look at my daughter as if she's their own."
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...0389/1004/NEWS
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03-18-2006, 01:54 PM
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Charging a juvi as a juvi makes sense to me. I mean if you're going to have separate laws for Adults and children, than they should be followed. I do not know why we think we are allowed to bend the rules as long as we restrict, imprison, or kill someone in the process. We will treat a kid as an adult as long as it means punishing him in the process, But allowing a 17 y/o genius to vote is not debatable?
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03-18-2006, 03:28 PM
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Put a booster chair in the electric chair.
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03-18-2006, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Executioner
Put a booster chair in the electric chair.
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your name says it all.
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03-18-2006, 08:01 PM
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Nah...Poor little misunderstood fellow probably didn't get his Ritalin that day, and he just couldn't cope with the extreme pressures of being a teenager.
Besides, everyone knows that the way to prevent this type of crime is to pass more gun control laws, because it's been proven that they prevent this type of crime.
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03-18-2006, 08:10 PM
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So, injuring 2 people should result in him getting shot?
What if he had beat them with a baseball bat causing equally harmful injuries, would you cry for life in prison or capital punishment then?
He's a kid.
When you're 14 you don't know shit. ( The same goes for 18 as well but you've got to draw the line somewhere. : ) )
Have you ever spent time in jail?
A couple of years in the Norwegian penal system can break most anyone let alone a kid.
And Norway has some of the most humane prisons around at least compared to the States.
You don't deserve to die if you don't commit the most heinous and barbaric of crimes which imo hurting someone, even if it's with a gun, doesn't constitute.
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03-18-2006, 08:18 PM
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