9/11 Conspiracy Theory is BS - impossible to control so many factors

[tequilaman]

(OK WR people, all this talk of the “government coordinating 9/11” has really started to piss me off…)

Debating whether or not the government “partook in the 9/11 attacks”, possibly even committing those atrocious acts themselves, is akin to believing that the US never landed on the moon, and simply filmed it in a Hollywood studio. It is a hunch, with no evidence and flawed assumptions to back it up.

This talk has been recently resurrected because of the comments of certain bloggers, “journalists” and celebrities. Many claim that the way the building fell, the way certain videotaped explosions appear, the apparently mysterious explosion at the Pentagon, as well as the testimonies of certain “experts” all lead them to believe that there are too many inconsistencies in the tragedy to have been committed like the official 9/11 Commission had reported. These conspiracy theorists believe that instead of 19 radical Islamic terrorists hijacking 4 jets, and slamming them into buildings, they actually believe that it was a government conspiracy used to instigate war in the Middle East, so that the US can take control of the resources there. They claim that the government used explosives to take down the buildings, and that the planes were remote controlled.

This is crazy moon bat conspiracy theory talk. I think anyone who actually believes this is highly paranoid and ignorant of the mountains of evidence proving that Islamic radicals actually did do this, including confessions from the planners and conspirators.

First of all, to actually pull of something like 9/11, it would take:

1) Possibly dozens of people to coordinate this, people who seriously hate the US despite being part of the US government.

2) People who placed their own lives above their family, and the lives of other Americans

3) Demolition crews, remote control jet controllers, weeks of traceable planning

4) People must fabricate MOUNTAINS of evidence against the fake terrorists, including fabricating the testimonies of 100s of witnesses

5) People who remained tight-lipped regarding this whole affair- including the planning and execution.


So tell me, we know that it would take the efforts of 100s of US citizens to take down these towers and planes. It would take years of planning, ordering supplies, planting evidence, and silencing the critics. There would large trails of evidence indicating that the government did do this (instead we have nothing but assumption and conjecture). And it would mean that 100s of Americans would have to keep this secret silent forever.

So given the propensity to talk, and let information out, wouldn’t there be at least one person with a conscience that would come forward (a demolition expert, a cameraman, a boom operator, a government official) that would come forward??? Do you really think that such a large group (that would be need to do this) would actually remain silent forever?

You cannot control everything, and to pull off something like 9/11 and get away with it would be impossible. There are too many factors to control.




Discuss…

[Polynikes]

It would take coordination across 3 levels of government, private enterprise, relief agencies, and countless regular old civilians...

It would be such a big project that it couldn't be done...

There would be so many people involved that at least one of them would talk...

[tequilaman]

Originally Posted by Polynikes

It would take coordination across 3 levels of government, private enterprise, relief agencies, and countless regular old civilians...

It would be such a big project that it couldn't be done...

There would be so many people involved that at least one of them would talk...

Exactly. That or you would have to have a fanatical and blindly allegiant (to the "desires of the administration") group of people that would rather die than to reveal the plans (to do 9/11, to have an excuse to cause war so that we can control resources in the ME).

It is alright to question it, but to believe it is just stoooooopid.

I'm sorry, but 99% of the Americans I know are too self-centered to die for resources for our country.

[Rotund Grappler]

perhaps the corrupt US government was in cahoots with AQ and Bin Laden!!!!!

[Polynikes]

I'm sorry but Bush isn't going to make a gamble this big over something like resources...

Not even money I don't think...

If he was caught, he'd be tried in court for murder, and possibly either zapped or stuck with a needle...

And he would do this just so that his ratings would jump?

[Polynikes]

Originally Posted by Rotund Grappler

perhaps the corrupt US government was in cahoots with AQ and Bin Laden!!!!!

Okay, so the Bush admin provided demolition for the WTC, and AQ provided the pilots? Then, a guy who didn't even get his chance to hurt us admits in court to there having been a plot all along by AQ?

[lizard]

I'm not going to go into arguing FOR the whole CT thing. Done it too many times already. So i'll simply address some of your points.

1)Part of the whole CT is that Islamic fundamentalists have been funded by the governments and "egged on" but they are not 100% sure who by as there are lots of middle men in the chain. This would be obvious tho as the government would need to be able to distance themselves easily.

2)Demolition crews? Yeah, so what? Do you think the government or secret service does not have a few experts in that field?
Remote control jet controllers? Yes they have existed for ages. But who needs these when there is a willing Muslim martyr? Although that is part of the theory. They are not 100% on what or who was used.
WEEKS of planning? Try two years. Or at least that is how the theory goes.
3)What witness testimonies are you referring to? And there are loads of witness testimonies to back up the CT's. Including the firemen who were there. I have to add, all the firemans radio communications recordings were censored in the name of "national security". Why? May I ask.

And why assume someone would stick their neck out and reveal all(because they had a concience). The governments of this world have been wrongdoing for years since records began. And usually the way info is found out is by accident, or after substantial time when it is no longer relevant.
Why assume this, that is what I want to know. These people are sworn to secrecy, and anyway, who would believe them? And what lengths would the government go to, to silence them? And anyway, only the most trusted would be involved.

There are questions that the government will not answer. That is what raises suspicion.
What about building seven?
Why, if the flames were so damn hot, were people visibly signalling for help from the impact holes in the side of the building?
What was Larry Silverstien on about when he said "we decided to PULL the building" on live TV?
Endless more questions along with endless more suspicious characteristics. WE need answers before the CT's will stop.

[Col. Angus]

I think it's funny that people will talk for days about the ineptitude of GeeDub, then turn around and talk about how he successfully masterminded the most elaborate conspiracy in the history of the world.

Inconsistant?

btw, twokillyaman, I think this may be the first time I have eva agreed with you...What is the world coming to?

[tequilaman]

Lizard, you are the stupidest person I know. Congratulations. And I am a social person that knows many people.

Originally Posted by lizard

I'm not going to go into arguing FOR the whole CT thing. Done it too many times already. So i'll simply address some of your points.

And using the same irrational and flawed logic that he uses to support his twisted version of Christianity...

Originally Posted by lizard

1)Part of the whole CT is that Islamic fundamentalists have been funded by the governments and "egged on" but they are not 100% sure who by as there are lots of middle men in the chain. This would be obvious tho as the government would need to be able to distance themselves easily.

Ummm... Osama and Al Zawahiri have already admitted they did it. THey funded and arranged the training in the ME. THIS IS NOT EVIDENCE BUT ASSUMPTION.

Originally Posted by lizard

2)Demolition crews? Yeah, so what? Do you think the government or secret service does not have a few experts in that field?
Remote control jet controllers? Yes they have existed for ages. But who needs these when there is a willing Muslim martyr? Although that is part of the theory. They are not 100% on what or who was used.
WEEKS of planning? Try two years. Or at least that is how the theory goes.

YOu would need dozens of such experts to pull this off, all of whom would have to remain quiet forever. Impossible. You can't control that many normal people.

Originally Posted by lizard

3)What witness testimonies are you referring to? And there are loads of witness testimonies to back up the CT's. Including the firemen who were there. I have to add, all the firemans radio communications recordings were censored in the name of "national security". Why? May I ask.

Ummm. the testimonies and recorded conversations from the dfferent planes say that there really were terrorists aboard the planes. It is recorded. YOu can listen and hear the victims talking about the terrorists while it was happening.

Originally Posted by lizard

And why assume someone would stick their neck out and reveal all(because they had a concience). The governments of this world have been wrongdoing for years since records began. And usually the way info is found out is by accident, or after substantial time when it is no longer relevant.
Why assume this, that is what I want to know. These people are sworn to secrecy, and anyway, who would believe them? And what lengths would the government go to, to silence them? And anyway, only the most trusted would be involved.

You would need 100s of people to pull this off. It is not possible to control that many people. One person wll always talk.

Originally Posted by lizard

There are questions that the government will not answer. That is what raises suspicion.
What about building seven?
Why, if the flames were so damn hot, were people visibly signalling for help from the impact holes in the side of the building?

Ummmm.... the entire building wasn't on fire, only 15 stories of inferno. Above and below it, people were trapped.

Originally Posted by lizard

What was Larry Silverstien on about when he said "we decided to PULL the building" on live TV?
Endless more questions along with endless more suspicious characteristics. WE need answers before the CT's will stop.

What the fuck are you talking about? Nevermind. Just shut up and go home.

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[tequilaman]

Originally Posted by Col. Angus

I think it's funny that people will talk for days about the ineptitude of GeeDub, then turn around and talk about how he successfully masterminded the most elaborate conspiracy in the history of the world.

Inconsistant?

btw, twokillyaman, I think this may be the first time I have eva agreed with you...What is the world coming to?

there is no doubt in my mind, that even if the Bush team wanted to pull of such a murderous and dispicable act, that they are too incompetent to do so.

If they wanted war, there are many easier routes to start a war, like FABRICATING WMD EVIDENCE.