[Pridelives]

Originally Posted by Leagon

But then, omg, what if the cops can't stop her!? What if the kid locks down the school and takes hostages? Then she arms herself to the teeth and is willing to die unless she gets a helicopter and 15 million dollars in unmarked bills?

Something must be done. That's when the troops come in?

Its a fucking six year old. Do you guys know what a six year old is? They can't even do multiplication yet and they still believe fat man in a red suit flies around the world in a single day in a sleigh pulled by reindeer in order to give presents to good children and coal to bad ones.

Anyone who cannot outsmart a child is a fucking tool and shouldn't be teaching. Period. There are millions of Americans that would be better suited to do such a job.

Hell, if she doesn't stop tell her the boogeyman will eat her dog. She'd probably believe it.

LOL!!!

[FoxTrot9R]

Originally Posted by Leagon

Hell, if she doesn't stop tell her the boogeyman will eat her dog. She'd probably believe it.

* 6 year old voice*

"Shit Motha Fucka, damn the boogey man. I rolled him last night, he aint shit. What I am trying to get is some Santa money. Where that red bitch at?"

[GSP Brantford]

That bullshit would never go down in canada. America Fuck yeah!

[FoxTrot9R]

LOL ^^^^^^^^^^ Good Luck

[Percival_Cox]

I've lost all hope for humanity. It's a sad day when a 6 year old is arrested. Now when the kid becomes a real criminal just know the "system" is responsible for making the child comfortable with handcuffs, detention, and police interaction. Hear, Hear for the prison industrial complex at
work.

[Commissar]

Originally Posted by Pridelives

There is no explanation for this, a little girl is not capable of forming the mens rea of crime as she wouldn't even have the concept of what is and isn't illegal; she would only have a beginners concept of right and wrong based on a societal model of morality, after all, that's why she's in Kindergarten. Her Teacher should be fired for being so incompetent. Can somebody from America shed light on the law surrounding arresting children? Should the police be investigated?

How the fuck can any of you deny America is a police state when arrests are allowed to happen to innocent children. Lashing out is a common form of frustration for children. Why would an arrest be made when doing so doesn't keep society more safe, doesn't decrease the chances of the "offender" re offending, and doesn't provide closure as their were no victims? Her mother appeared to be well spoken, not some ghetto ignoramus.

LiveLeak.com - Police Arrest 6 year old girl in kindergarten, handcuff her and take her to Jail

I didn't bother clicking the link, but if she committed a crime, she isn't an "innocent child". She absolutely should be taken away, because she broke a fucking law. Of course, whether charges remain or not would be dependant on whether or not she can determine right from wrong (case by case basis), and determined by the courts.

[Percival_Cox]

Originally Posted by Commissar

I didn't bother clicking the link, but if she committed a crime, she isn't an "innocent child". She absolutely should be taken away, because she broke a fucking law. Of course, whether charges remain or not would be dependant on whether or not she can determine right from wrong (case by case basis), and determined by the courts.

So you find it acceptable to enter a 6 year old into the penal system as opposed to contacting his/her parents? The law has no place in an kindergarten class unless he's presenting for show and tell.

[feedmelies]

Originally Posted by Percival_Cox

So you find it acceptable to enter a 6 year old into the penal system as opposed to contacting his/her parents? The law has no place in an kindergarten class unless he's presenting for show and tell.

Okay, and contacting parents does what when a 6 year is old clawing and biting people at the moment?

[WrestlingNerd]

If she did live in "the hood" and her parents don't care at all then maybe a social worker would need to be called. If the parents don't care they won't discipline the kid and she will get worse. Maybe if that's the case then MAYBE that was the right thing to do.

[Mithra]

Originally Posted by Zankou

I'm not advocating punishment at all. I'm advocating establishing dominance relations with the child. Punishment (of any kind) is relatively ineffective for young children because their brains are too short-term to handle a calculation of gain v. punishment. You can't punish a child into behaving any more than you can punish an animal for its "misbehavior." It's a common misconception that the "time-out" method of discipline -- a very effective one -- is punishment. It's not. It's supposed to simply calm the child down, so they can gain control of themselves. Using time-out as punishment is counterproductive and flawed.

It's also a misconception that people, children, or animals hate having somebody else's will imposed on them. Somebody else's will is ALWAYS imposed on them. Every social animal is born with an ability to cope with that. Generally, every social animal is born with an ability to challenge existing power relations, as well as an ability to accede to the dominance of others -- in other words, to live and move within a hierarchy of social power. Attempting to pretend that the student or parent is NOT dominating the child, is NOT in charge, is a delusional recipe for disaster. Children want somebody in charge, and if there isn't somebody, they develop behavioral problems (just like a pet dog would).

It reminds me of a comical story my wife told me. One of the partners at her law firm -- a prestigious, powerful lawyer -- decided to retire in order to teach inner city school kids, his dream being to help them. So he retired, took a one-year teaching course, and then went to the school. He didn't last a semester. He kept trying to "connect" with the kids, and they predictably took advantage of it and made him into a monkey. Apparently many of the kids were coming up to him after class and telling him he had to stand up for himself, it was completely pathetic the way he got played for a fool by the kids. But he kept trying to reason and connect his way through the situation, rather than relating to the kids as an authority. Disaster.

After his failure, he asked my wife "but all of the law firm associates are good and easy to get along with. Why not these kids"? Well, law firm associates are the 100th percentile in terms of toolish subservience to the man, are extremely rational, and are getting paid by the partners. A selection of random kids is an entirely different matter. But this partner was unable to see beyond his own experience to the statistical/social/biological realities.

I agree people, including children, want someone to lead them but they do not want someone to dominate them as you described(with the hosing down scenario).

Unless of course they are into that kind of thing, but I doubt many 6 years are into BDSM