[White Spats]

Originally Posted by Toujourpret

I think it is more a matter of respect than idolizing the state. Suspension has always been a retarded penalty but i think the school is doing the right thing.

Respect is earned.

[Toujourpret]

Originally Posted by White Spats

Respect is earned.

Providing roads and a school doesn't warrant respect?

[feedmelies]

Originally Posted by DaRuckus337

Standing is in the rules, not reciting, and I don't think that's unreasonable. Standing is a sign of respect, not allegiance (that's what pledging would be). Disrespectful conduct of many kinds are against the rules in schools that would fall under the umbrella of 'protected free speech' for adults in life outside of the school. You don't have to listen to people in the real world when they lecture you, but ignoring the teacher in class is both disrespectful and against the rules. That's the way it is. School is about teaching professional conduct, and part of professional conduct is respecting other people and beliefs and following the rules. These kids failed on both counts, and were rightfully punished. Cry me a river for the school not respecting - on it's own grounds - the free speech of some punk kids who think they can act snotty and disrespectfully whenever and wherever they please. Consider this an important educational experience for the students, because such behavior WILL cost them in the real world.

Golden. Exactly what I was thinking.

[Title Fight Productions]

Originally Posted by hypocalking

They got what they deserved. Maybe the mother should do home schooling if she doesn't like the rules of the school.

The rules of the school are unconstitutional, that is why they are changing them.

[Title Fight Productions]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Key v.1.4

i blame brutal parenting.

it's kinda funny too, if you want to break the rules in order to send some political message, you have to at least accept the punishment, otherwise what's the point? it becomes an empty gesture.

It doesn't sound like he is trying to send any message. Now would have been the optimum time to express his message instead, he is still silent.

[Sanin]

Originally Posted by Chthon

I have been told by some foreign friends of mine that the United States in the only country in which children ritually recite the pledge just about every day at the start of school. Is this accurate?

I'm not sure what the situation is right now, but Japan has been requiring that students recite the national anthem before class started. Prior to WWII they were required to as well, but as part of the move away from fascism the policy was banned. In Japan it's even more significant because their national anthem has definite imperial overtones, and pays homage to the emperor as the supreme power. Teachers in Japan saw this move for what it was, an attempt by the state to influence the youth into accepting right wing nationalism. Obviously a dangerous one considering recent history of nationalist states in Japan. A few hundred teachers actually went to jail for their opposition to the pledge. As of now the teachers have won and the pledge isn't required in class, but the state is appealing the ruling.

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[M.o.A]

Originally Posted by Toujourpret

Providing roads and a school doesn't warrant respect?

You have some of the worst primary/secondary education in the world, so no it doesnt.

[Marsupial]

Originally Posted by whiskeyyy

Conservatives have the most infantile, sycophantic, creepy concept of patriotism.

Fuck expelling them. They should be drawn and quartered am I right?

If you take DrSatanDracula's posts seriously you have already played into his grubby little hands.

[Falconry]

America scares me. I'm amazed that people still choose to raise their children there.

[AZ BJJ]

Originally Posted by M.o.A

You have some of the worst primary/secondary education in the world, so no it doesnt.

Care to qualify that bold statement?