[Throatpoker]

Originally Posted by IrishBeatDown

you wreak of fail...

congress didn't adopt the pledge of allegiance UNTIL 1942...

this photo is a WORK!

Bellamy salute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"...The Bellamy salute is the hand gesture described by Francis Bellamy (1855-1931) to accompany the American Pledge of Allegiance, which he had authored. During the period when it was used with the Pledge of Allegiance, it was sometimes known as the "flag salute". It was first demonstrated on October 12, 1892 according to Bellamy's published instructions for the "National School Celebration of Columbus Day":

At a signal from the Principal the pupils, in ordered ranks, hands to the side, face the Flag. Another signal is given; every pupil gives the flag the military salute -- right hand lifted, palm downward, to a line with the forehead and close to it. Standing thus, all repeat together, slowly, “I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands; one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.” At the words, “to my Flag,” the right hand is extended gracefully, palm upward, toward the Flag, and remains in this gesture till the end of the affirmation; whereupon all hands immediately drop to the side.

– From The Youth’s Companion, 65 (1892): 446–447.

The initial military salute was replaced with a hand-on-heart gesture, followed by the extension of the arm as described by Bellamy. Because of the similarity of this arm extension to the Hitler salute, the Bellamy salute was widely replaced around 1942 with the modern gesture of placing the hand over the heart without raising the arm.[citation needed] In 1943, the Daughters of the American Revolution, initially resistant to the change, endorsed the hand-on-heart gesture during the Pledge.[1]"

Try to do some research before posting here, son.

[FoxTrot9R]

Originally Posted by Title Fight Productions

Well shit! Now what am supposed to do? I agree with both your points and they are completely opposite!

Que? I say you are free to do what you want, as you said you dont say the pledge, but stand.I am cool with you not saying it" you are free to do what you want". I suppose I should have included"with regards to the verbalization of the pledge" Saying it or not is not my major issue, it the lack of respect by not even standing. You seem to avoid all this by simply standing, if not reciting the pledge.

[IrishBeatDown]

Originally Posted by IrishBeatDown

you wreak of fail...

congress didn't adopt the pledge of allegiance UNTIL 1942...

this photo is a WORK!

fuck me... i wreak of fail.... just did some research and indeed the pledge was origionally said in conjunction with the bellomy salute... HOWEVER this was only before it was OFFICIALLY adopted by congress... so it was done, but it has never been the official way to say the pledge.

[FoxTrot9R]

Originally Posted by IrishBeatDown

fuck me... i wreak of fail.... .

That is the funniest shit I have read all day

[Title Fight Productions]

Originally Posted by FoxTrot9R

Que? I say you are free to do what you want, as you said you dont say the pledge, but stand.I am cool with you not saying it" you are free to do what you want". I suppose I should have included"with regards to the verbalization of the pledge" Saying it or not is not my major issue, it the lack of respect by not even standing. You seem to avoid all this by simply standing, if not reciting the pledge.

Oh no! I bust that damn pledge out with a boastful voice everytime, i get goosebumps as i do so! I just leave out the "under god" part...

[FoxTrot9R]

Originally Posted by Title Fight Productions

Oh no! I bust that damn pledge out with a boastful voice everytime, i get goosebumps as i do so! I just leave out the "under god" part...

LOL ok bro I can get behind that. While I personally believe in God, I have never tried to cram that down anyones throat.

[IrishBeatDown]

Originally Posted by FoxTrot9R

That is the funniest shit I have read all day

glad i could make your day lol.

[HuFlungPu]

Originally Posted by DaRuckus337

Oh really? So if you were eating in a Muslim home, you wouldn't bow your head for a grace to Allah? If you were in a foreign country, you wouldn't stand for their national anthem? Do you speak loudly when touring a cathedral during a religious service because you're not a Catholic? Good luck doing business abroad or even getting along with anyone who doesn't subscribe to your personal worldviews. You people are so fucking arrogant and deluded that you honestly think that an act of respectful deference is some sort of sign of personal weakness or betrayal of personal beliefs. You don't have to believe in or agree with something to show respect to those who do. Standing is part of the culture, is written in the rules, and is a sign of respect for the country you are in and the school you are attending, and does not in any way represent selling out one's personal beliefs. As I said earlier, schools exist to teach professional conduct to the students, and part of professional conduct is learning the importance of respect for others and how to get by in a world that is much larger than your own mind and home. Some of the attitudes in this thread are ridiculous and embarrassing, and demonstrate exactly why many Westerners have a bad reputation when they travel.

Nope.. I wouldn't.. I'm Christian and I have EVERY right not to stand if the national anthem gave grace or allegiance to another God. If a muslim attended a Catholic mass (let's say he's with a friend) he has EVERY RIGHT not to kneel or pray...If someone doesn't wanna say the pledge of allegiance for personal reasons, big dicking deal! I thought we're a free country???? Don't we have the right of freedom of speech? That's what sets us APART from OTHER countries.

[DaRuckus337]

Originally Posted by HuFlungPu

Nope.. I wouldn't.. I'm Christian and I have EVERY right not to stand if the national anthem gave grace or allegiance to another God. If a muslim attended a Catholic mass (let's say he's with a friend) he has EVERY RIGHT not to kneel or pray...If someone doesn't wanna say the pledge of allegiance for personal reasons, big dicking deal! I thought we're a free country???? Don't we have the right of freedom of speech? That's what sets us APART from OTHER countries.

It's a free country, but schools aren't free institutions. Lots of things that are an expression of 'protected free speech' for adults in the outside world are against the rules in schools. You not only have to go where they tell you (class), but you have to actually pay attention (or look like you are) to someone lecturing you while you're there. Not attending class or ignoring the teacher while in class is a sign of disrespect, is against the rules, and gets you in trouble. The whole point of the schooling system is to instill in the students the type of discipline, study skills, and professional skills necessary to become a productive member of society. Part of that is learning to respect other people and their ideas, whether or not they are in tune with your own. It's a vital part of getting by in the this world, and this is especially true in the working world where disrespectful, insubordinate, and anti-social conduct gets you fired. Asking that students stand for the pledge of allegiance (NOT asking them to recite it, which the school rules said was acceptable) is simple matter of respect, and is not unreasonable.

And by the way, you are an asshole if you would not bow your head and be quiet (I did NOT say pray with them) during a grace at someone else's dinner table. That type of self-centered arrogance with the implied 'it's not my way so fuck it' attitude is stunningly inappropriate and disrespectful.

[WUchi]

''my son wasn't defiant to america''

even if he fucking was. who gives a shit, is he not allowed to have an opinion on various nation-states.