[prosa123]

Originally Posted by alown4ge

But the weightlifting stuff was you blowing smoke up our asses, trying to contend that since some NFL players put up some good weight on BP that they're the STRONGEST PEOPLE OF ALL TIMES!!!11 NFL players are strong as fuck, but they are NOT the strongest guys out there, at all. Utter bullshit, had to call you out on that

NFL players may be able to bench some very heavy weights, but they're also pretty big guys to begin with

Quite possibly the strongest athletes in proportion to their body weights are male gymnasts.

[alown4ge]

Originally Posted by prosa123

NFL players may be able to bench some very heavy weights, but they're also pretty big guys to begin with

Quite possibly the strongest athletes in proportion to their body weights are male gymnasts.

I'd agree. I'd also throw powerlifters and O-lifters in the same category with the gymnasts. The shit that some gymnasts do, on rings for example, are insane.

[prosa123]

Originally Posted by alown4ge

The shit that some gymnasts do, on rings for example, are insane.

I've read that doing an Iron Cross, a standard rings technique, requires about the same upper body strength as a double-bodyweight bench press.

[sprawl&brawl]

Originally Posted by alown4ge

Sprawl n Brawl,

Sorry for the ad-hominem. I got carried away, as I often do.

You're right about the best runners and football players being black. I don't know if anyone was seriously contending that, because they would be arguing against a lot of statistics, besides the fact that if you watch a game or meet, all the explosive, running positions are dominated by blacks.

But the weightlifting stuff was you blowing smoke up our asses, trying to contend that since some NFL players put up some good weight on BP that they're the STRONGEST PEOPLE OF ALL TIMES!!!11 NFL players are strong as fuck, but they are NOT the strongest guys out there, at all. Utter bullshit, had to call you out on that.

I'm also willing to bet that the "higher levels of test" is bullshit too.

You have a point in a way. I was not saying NFL players are the strongest guys around. Alot of your stronger guys in the NFL are black. However, I think if blacks took lifting seriously, at least the world level, they could do well or out perform other ethniticites. Sure, you can find plent of dudes in the every day world throwing up 400-500 bench presses. However, how many of those guys do it on a 6-10% body fat level, run sub5 -mid 4 second 40 yard dashes, hit 32-40 inch verticals? Only a few i would imagine. If the blacks truly worked on their strength training primarily, i wonder what kind of numbers they would put up? Alot of americans want to play football and if they had the chance they would play college and of course pro; with that in mine, why is the nfl 2/3 black?

In regards to the test levels. I have read that they on the average have higher levels. Have I drawn blood from 300 black and 300 white men and did the comparison? No. However, i know i have read it before.

[sprawl&brawl]

Originally Posted by Yanoush

Dude, you cant argue with the statistics.


Sounds like someone is just pussyhurt then arent as fast as black people.

It's not easy to accept that rationale of "men are created equal" is false. However, it's not like white athletes haven't succeded in sports or continue to do so. I think it would be a huge motivation for white athletes and a bragging right, to be able to compete and possibly out perform individuals, who have natural advantages granted to them. You know, there more things to be proud of in life. Sports isn't everything. I would rather know that i'm a capable, strong, caring provider for my family than a world class athlete. Not everybody can be great at atheletics.

[deadinside]

Originally Posted by sprawl&brawl

You have a point in a way. I was not saying NFL players are the strongest guys around. Alot of your stronger guys in the NFL are black. However, I think if blacks took lifting seriously, at least the world level, they could do well or out perform other ethniticites. Sure, you can find plent of dudes in the every day world throwing up 400-500 bench presses. However, how many of those guys do it on a 6-10% body fat level, run sub5 -mid 4 second 40 yard dashes, hit 32-40 inch verticals? Only a few i would imagine. If the blacks truly worked on their strength training primarily, i wonder what kind of numbers they would put up? Alot of americans want to play football and if they had the chance they would play college and of course pro; with that in mine, why is the nfl 2/3 black?

In regards to the test levels. I have read that they on the average have higher levels. Have I drawn blood from 300 black and 300 white men and did the comparison? No. However, i know i have read it before.

ANd a study once showed that mexicans had a higher test rate than whites and blacks, so why do they not dominate the NFL?

Power lifting championships between countries have EastEuropeans beating USA team all the time. Poor countries like Ukraine with a pop just slightly bigger than Cali dominate the USA teams. And i mean dominate them.
With drug testing and with Americans have better equipment we still lose. Our teams have whites, blacks and everyone and yet we always lose. Why?

you argue that one group can have a genetic advantage in something and yet cannot mentally process that it is not the same group all the time?


And all NFL competition will always have more blacks in it sense it is a sport of speed and power. WIth speed being more important(more likely to see a sprinter play than a powerlifter). In fact at the competition the number of blacks is more than whites, so using it as a standard is not rational.(in fact the only position that have a large percentages of whites in football is offensive lineman. The position that speed is less important)

Use the world powerlifting and olympic lifting as a scale for strength not the nfl.


Their is slight genetic differences in groups of people(not race cause it is not a scientific measure. Eas vs. northern vs west african/european/asian, etc) If one group was superior then we would all look the same.

If that was not so then counties in Africa and West Indies would have as many lifters win medals has they have athletes win speed track events. Vice-versa for Easteuropeans.

[Untermensch202]

Originally Posted by sprawl&brawl

Why do you insult me? Is it because i have a different opinion from you? Or is it i'm challengeing all of your preconceived notions of white superiority. I'm not sure what you expect me to say? When i watch track and field. I know that all of the serious 100m contenders are black. The WR and OR are held by black athletes. The 200, 400, and most of your hurdles are held by black participants. I'm not going to post any links to online resources: because, even if i did, it would not change your opinion. Yes, you have a point with soccer. It's not like blacks can't play the game or not excel at it. Then when you get into distance; then the ethiopians and kenyans really kick ass.Blacks seem to have a higher proportion of red (fast twich muscles) highter muscular density, higher levels of free testerone. You could go on and on. I can't think of certain sports that are so completely dominated by a certain ethniticity. My main examples: American football, boxing, track, basketball, distance running. How many examples do you really need. Does someone have to shove your head into the bowl of facts before you accept reality?

How do you figure boxing is dominated by blacks ?? PBF does not mean blacks dominate boxing. Neither do past champions.

[Untermensch202]

It is also silly to claim blacks dominate basketball when they are currently getting spanked by the Europeans. I know you'll go on to cry about how the Europeans get more practice time together, but if blacks were truly dominant at basketball they wouldn't get taken out like that. The European players in the NBA are also a testament to the fact that this perceived advantage doesn't exist. The only sport you listed that it would truly seem fair to claim that there is some genetic advantage is running and this advantage is not even in the seconds. It is also offset with the fact that it is likewise fair to claim that whites are naturally stronger than blacks. I'll take being stronger over JUST being able to outrun someone else in a race. When are disputes settled with a race?

[Untermensch202]

If you want to find out where the real differences are at, I suggest taking a look at the economic and quality of life scene. Not just in the U.S., but worldwide. Somehow I don't think you'll like what you see.

[deadinside]

Originally Posted by Untermensch202

If you want to find out where the real differences are at, I suggest taking a look at the economic and quality of life scene. Not just in the U.S., but worldwide. Somehow I don't think you'll like what you see.

He just trying to frame everything in black and white(and he thinks it makes him noble)


He is just trying to replace one set of stereotypes with another. (and at the same time say anyone disagreeing with him a racist. But his little mind will never get over that this world is more than black or white or that race definitions are not based on science as much as they are on politics. )


but he will buy it and ride it till the tires grind out.