[Hester65]

Originally Posted by lukeviacoolhand

did I say that?

just making sure...

[lukeviacoolhand]

My comments are not meant as an idictment against Rocky. I merely agree with the general point of the statement below

Originally Posted by TKDhasBin

Rocky was undefeated because he was the best heavyweight of his era.....and because most of the fighters he fought in the latter portion of his career were way over the hill and gone.....The average age of his opponent (during his championship reign ) was something like 38.6 years.....Not Rocky's fault.....he just happened to be young when they were getting old.......

[sushijin]

Originally Posted by lukeviacoolhand

looks like someone else needs a nap

Archie Moore fought roughly 20 years before Marciano, and roughly 8 after. He had 176 (boxrec) fights before Marciano and 40 (your number) after. He may have partly compiled his post Marciano record against good competition but he also fought guys like George Abinet (6-15-1) and Julio Neves (10-7). Despite still being competitive, he was an old fighter who was near the end of his career.

Lastarza was 53-3 before the second fight with Marciano, and 4-8 after. Sure Rocky helped make it so, but Roland was definitely near the end of his career.

YOU ARE FUNNY.

8 years fighting and 40 fights with a tremendous record is hardly near the end no matter how many ways you wanna try to say otherwise. Nice try, but no cigar.

Lastarza did have limited success after Marciano, true. Sounds like the Rock wrecked him.... Sounds like Marciano deserves credit for that, if anything.

And you did know that Lastarza was 37-0 when he first fought the Rock, right?

[lukeviacoolhand]

Originally Posted by sushijin

YOU ARE FUNNY.

8 years fighting and 40 fights with a tremendous record is hardly near the end no matter how many ways you wanna try to say otherwise. Nice try, but no cigar.

difference of opinion

Originally Posted by sushijin

Lastarza did have limited success after Marciano, true. Sounds like the Rock wrecked him.... Sounds like Marciano deserves credit for that, if anything.

Gave Marciano credit. Maybe Roland lasts another year or two without the second fight.

Originally Posted by sushijin

And you did know that Lastarza was 37-0 when he first fought the Rock, right?

Yes, but since it had no relevance in our agruement I did not feel the need to bring it up.

[a jessup]

Originally Posted by Sonny

don't

Please don't.

[KORUPT xLOxx]

I also feel like the Rock isn't getting enough credit for how he would've done against some of the Heavy's mentioned. While Liston does seem to have most of the physical advantages over Rocky he didn't have them all. Liston at times had a tendency to brawl and go toe to toe. You guys act like he was Ali and floated around the ring using his jab all the time. Fact is if he got in a brawl with the Rock I like the Rocks chances. Rocky imo had more heart, better stamina and a better chin. If the Phantom punch knocks liston down and "out" what do you think one of Rocks punches would do if he decided to brawl with Rocky. Especially over the duration of the fight. Liston could cut up the Rock and end it there but if he doesn't and it's a war of attrition I take the Rock. Same with Frazier only now he doesn't have those same height reach advantages that liston has. While the Heart and Chin are on par I think that fight is a war with no clear cut winner like some of you make it out to be. I do think Foreman would beat Rocky. Chuvalo? come on now people. It would be a war with two granite chins but the Rocky should clearly get the edge here imo. Now Ali that is a different story. I think Ali could get on his bike and get a clear ud over the rock. No doubt he had the skills to do so. However, depending on what part of his career were talking about he could've beaten the Ali of the 70's imo. That ali was there to be hit and while Ali had a great chin and recovering ability the Rock had a chance at that version of the Ali reign. Basically all I'm saying is while he may have been undersized compared to the guys that followed to say he had no chance at a belt during the 60's and 70's isn't totally true imo.

[sushijin]

Liston has problems if he goes toe to toe with ROCKY? Certainly you jest. Liston had a great jaw, by the way. Better than Marciano's easily, in his prime. Watch his two fights with Cleveland Williams, and watch how many lethal bombs he swallows without flinching. And that was prime Williams, who was a murderous puncher at the time. His ali fight was a joke. He was never dropped by a punch there. That was a dive, and besides that, that was an old and faded Liston. Take him back in 1959, and he would tear Marciano's head off. Bigger, stronger lion gets weaker smaller lion 90% of the time. Oh, and top of all that, Liston was the better technician in the ring. Better command of the jab (a battering ram, really) and the fundamentals. This fight is a forgone conclusion in my mind. Foreman obliterates Marciano easily too, and actually much quicker. With Liston, Rock could see the mid-rounds maybe. With Foreman, he sleeps within the first 3 rounds.

[lukeviacoolhand]

Both Liston and Foreman were simply too big for Rocky.

[amhlilhaus]

news flash: archie moores age has been verified based on census information as having been born in 1916, not 1913, 1911 or 1876.

[CEROVFC]

Originally Posted by lukeviacoolhand

Both Liston and Foreman were simply too big for Rocky.

Which was the mantra for Rocky's downfall throughout his career yet it never happened. Whether or not a fighter of the caliber of Liston and Foreman would be the one to potentially have made it come to fruition is indeed possible, maybe even probable, but personally, I wouldn't go beyond that.