Pavlik - Page 4

Tam-Tam · 05-07-2008, 04:46 AM

Yeah, well, I remember a few people saying the opposite as well. Whats that mean?

Dragonstyle915 · 05-07-2008, 04:52 AM

In all seriousness. All this is what makes Kelly Pavlik interesting to watch. He does so many things that are considered fundimentals so average yet he somehow finds a way to make it so effective.

His style, no matter who he beats, will never put him at the top P4P lists tho. Because he has great punching power and is so long and tall he is able to win with his physical gifts alone. He would have no answer to a guy taller, stronger and faster than him.

I doubt he would have an answer against a guy with no interests in trading punches, no care whether the fight is boring, with great handspeed and a great chin as well.

#1 Bigger, stronger, faster guy
#2 Slick, boring, can take a punch guy.

Thats Pavliks weakness I think. He isnt versatile like a Mayweather who can beat any type of boxer and who relies on more than physical gifts but more-so Boxing skill.

Dragonstyle915 · 05-07-2008, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Dragonstyle915

In all seriousness. All this is what makes Kelly Pavlik interesting to watch. He does so many things that are considered fundimentals so average yet he somehow finds a way to make it so effective.

His style, no matter who he beats, will never put him at the top P4P lists tho. Because he has great punching power and is so long and tall he is able to win with his physical gifts alone. He would have no answer to a guy taller, stronger and faster than him.

I doubt he would have an answer against a guy with no interests in trading punches, no care whether the fight is boring, with great handspeed and a great chin as well.

#1 Bigger, stronger, faster guy
#2 Slick, boring, can take a punch guy.

Thats Pavliks weakness I think. He isnt versatile like a Mayweather who can beat any type of boxer and who relies on more than physical gifts but more-so Boxing skill.

And please excuse me for saying Boring. I said it in such form for people to understand btw. I rarerly find Boxing fights Boring. I find some exciting and others interesting. "Boring" can actually be interesting to me during because you're so eager to see that slick f**ker get his over the head. Its Boring if Mayweather's, Whitaker's and Jone's of the world dont get hit for 12 rnds but its a montumental moment when they get knocked out.

Teddy Atlas helped me figure this out last Wed night fights when he said this, no exactly direct, quote, "This guy doesnt give you exciting fights but he makes fights interesting".

WintersMMA · 05-07-2008, 06:21 AM

pavlik needs to fight wright and then he got nothin more to prove at mw

after that he should move to lhw and try calz or hopkins i dont see him gettin past either tho

Hester65 · 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tam-Tam

Pavlik is a good fighter, but he's not that good. Certainly not "best fighter in the world" potential.

Look at the list of men who have carried that title:

Ray Robinson
Roberto Duran
Muhammad Ali
Ray Leonard
Marvin Hagler
Pernell Whitaker
Mike Tyson
Roy Jones Jr
Floyd Mayweather
Julio Cesar Chavez

Kelly Pavlik? Hmmm.

There is no reason Pavlik can't get on that list. We have no way of knowing how good or great he will be until the end of his career.

Up until this point, though, it's hard to argue that the guy isn't the best at Middleweight. He has done everything needed to carry himself on the upper echelon of Middleweights, stopping the current champ, defeating him soundly in the rematch, and pummeling all other contenders on his way up. He needs more top level opposition, in order to garner the recognition as best fighter now.

Of course I agree that he isnt on that list yet, but it is ludicrous to say that he doesn't have the potential to make it on the list (based on his current run).

alown4ge · 05-07-2008, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hester65

Of course I agree that he isnt on that list yet, but it is ludacris to say that he doesn't have the potential to make it on the list (based on his current run).

LOL. Sorry, I had to.

Dragonstyle915 · 05-07-2008, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Hester65

There is no reason Pavlik can't get on that list. We have no way of knowing how good or great he will be until the end of his career.

Up until this point, though, it's hard to argue that the guy isn't the best at Middleweight. He has done everything needed to carry himself on the upper echelon of Middleweights, stopping the current champ, defeating him soundly in the rematch, and pummeling all other contenders on his way up. He needs more top level opposition, in order to garner the recognition as best fighter now.

Of course I agree that he isnt on that list yet, but it is ludacris to say that he doesn't have the potential to make it on the list (based on his current run).

Tyson?

Hester65 · 05-07-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragonstyle915

Tyson?

That is kind of my point. We can talk of Tyson now, seeing how his career turned out. Then, however, it was fine to talk of his potential.

You can't hate on Pavlik based on what he hasn't done. I'm also not trying to take Tam's opinion away either. I'm just trying to state my own...

Hester65 · 05-07-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by alown4ge

LOL. Sorry, I had to.

No need to say sorry, it was my mistake...

AtomicPope · 05-08-2008, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Dragonstyle915

I remember a few Jermain Taylor fans said that

But those fans never figured in Jermaine Taylor's fragile psyche. Comparing Taylor to Calzaghe is like comparing a rape victim to a spetznatz commando. Taylor is always twitchy, tense, and unsure, while Calzaghe can be summed up in two words - Iron Will.

Look at all of the chances Taylor has had and blown in his career. Zag's never frustrated.

Taylor had the world on a platter and blew. He was making top dollar for fighting scrubs. Pavlik had to knock him out and fight him again just to make money. Taylor is no Calzaghe. He's had his chance and blew it. Every time.