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It seemed like part of the issue was the semantic difficulty of average vs good or even very good/great. Even considering the number of belts, i would have a hard time considering someone who was an undisputed champ average. Probably partly because im outside the sport and will miss a lot of things that come very easy to spot to people like KK or Tam-Tam, but also partly because i dont equate that type of success with being average.
Having said that i would have a pretty hard time placing taylor or perhaps more importantly pavlik as anything more than good. Admittedly i havent seen enough of Froch or Bute to know how well he would fare against either of them at 168, but i dont think he would beat the others listed in Tam-Tams post.
Especially with the calzaghe thing...pavlik for the things he does do well, is pretty limited at times in what his gameplan is going to be. I suppose his accuracy could potentially pay some dividends if joe were to open way up, but i dont think he would do that until he felt pretty comfortable with the rhythm of the fight. If Joe "Spoils your boxing" as well as it seems he does i have a hard time believing pavlik would end up looking competitive if they fought.
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