Pac vs Cotto--- Game Plans-- What tools are applied?

[Sinister]

By wow factor, I mean that most of his opponents come in tentative because of his power and, more importantly, his sneaky way of connecting with that power. There is an early test that all Pac opponents either pass or fail.. think Pac vs. JMM 1..

Marquez was caught cold, which happens to him a lot. Cotto doesn't so much get caught cold, but he was a slow-starter, that was up until recent. He won't be tentative, he's smart enough to know that waiting for Pac to hit you when you're the bigger man is a mistake. Cotto also doesn't have the same disposition as Marquez, to counter.

Like the other fighters that I mentioned along with Pac, Manny is impossible to accurately immitate. You are not going to know what it's like to have him buzzing away on you with his unique rhythm until you are in the ring with him. So the longer the fight goes, the less mistery about Pacs rhythm, power, speed, and Cotto's ability to absorb all those things there will be, and the more comfortable Cotto will be.

Training for a guy isn't about imitating what he can do, it's just about knowing and preparing for everything that's said to be in the scope of his capability. Aside from that I agree with the rest of this.

Also, Marg is not the same type of puncher as Pac. He is a heavy handed puncher, but his shots are thudding rather than one punch ko shots. I compare Manny more to Zab in terms of the type of power he has. Unlike Zab though, Manny is very wirey and hard clinch when he hurts you. If he seriously hurts Cotto, then the real test will come because Cotto will go down rather than clinch.

I don't consider Manny a 1-punch KO artist. How long has it been since he's taken a guy out like that who wasn't wide open and begging for it? Even since the second Morales Fight, he hasn't been blasting out guys, he's been Boxing and wearing them down. I severely doubt he hurts Cotto with a single shot that bad, unless either Cotto doesn't see it or Manny does what Chop Chop did and catch him on an odd spot. Both are possible, but not likely. Also, Cotto is strong, extremely strong. Strength IMO nullifies wiriness. Hatton clinches like a drunk friend falling into you at a party, but he pummels well once in that clinch, like a Greco-Roman guy. Cotto, not so much, he's the reverse, he clinches hard and tight, and waits for the Ref to establish distance. And Pac HATES being bullied around, especially if he knows he's at a power disadvantage, and he will be.

[dizzydean]

Originally Posted by M.o.A

Anyone who thinks pac is gonna stop cotto within 6 rounds is deluded.

And anyone who thinks this is in denial. Anything is possible. I don't even discount the possibility of Cotto KOing Manny in the early rounds. I just think it's more probable that Manny will be the one doing the greater damage in the early rounds.

[Sinister]

Yeah but there's nothing to suggest he can blast out Cotto in under 6, nothing whatsoever.

[Pacdbest]

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Re: Lets say Pacman vs Cotto 2009
If Pac KOs Hatton and beat DLH, that tells you that Pac can carry his power and Sturdy enough for Cotto. Maybe Arum will be crazy enough to make this fight.

Offence wise Pac can handle Cotto. Pac has longer arms and a much faster guy. Power right now belongs to Cotto but we still have to see the stronger Pac at 135-147. Pac vs Diaz, Hatton/DLH will answer that

Here's my Prediction on this fight last year before Pac even Pac steps to hatton & DLH. I'm already sure Pac will win!!

[NamelessMC]

Originally Posted by dizzydean

And anyone who thinks this is in denial. Anything is possible. I don't even discount the possibility of Cotto KOing Manny in the early rounds. I just think it's more probable that Manny will be the one doing the greater damage in the early rounds.

Let's not bring the "anything is possible" argument into a discussion of technicality.

Clearly, anything is possible.

That being said, it's possible Cotto lands a straight right, flush to Manny's jaw and knocks him out within 15 seconds of the fight, but does that make it probable?

What he said was, Manny's not known for one-punch KO power and that's true. He put Hatton down, but no one knows what the deal was with Hatton leaving his jaw wide open like that not once, but twice to another not-so heavy handed hitter in Mayweather.

The bottom line is, Cotto has the tenacity to take shots like that and not go down and that's where the question comes in of how Cotto will get his rhythm for the remainder of the fight.

[Sinister]

People would point most to the Ricardo Torres Fight as THE defining moment of Cotto's vulnerability, but leave us not forget that A) that was at the most uncomfortable weight Cotto fought at as a Professional, and B) he got up and demolished Torres for his trouble. Furthermore, Torres at 140, punch-for-punch, IMO hits harder than Pac above 126.

[Cracky]

His jaw was wide open because he was punching. Hatton was fighting the same way he always fights.. Pac was just fast enough and ballsy enough to punch with him and it paid off.

I think the first kd vs. Hatton was a great shot that could have had the same result on anybody. Hatton wasn't doing anything wrong.. he just got exploited by somebody that knows how to thread the needle.

[Sinister]

lol Hatton did everything wrong from the opening bell, including walking at Pac from the get-go with his head up, adding to the force of Pac's punches his own falling-forward momentum.

[Conquerer01]

I think Mosley landed 50% of his power punches on Cotto. That's something to consider. Cotto isn't known for his defense, but it looked improved against Clottey. It's harder to anaylze Pac since he's ran through his recent fights and has shown so much improvement. The style that gives him the most trouble is counterpunching. It's just up to Cotto to bring the fight. Funny thing is sometimes when two legit offensive fighters meet, it becomes a technical fight like Quartey/De La Hoya.

[Sinister]

Counter-punching isn't the only style that troubles Pac. Morales didn't counter him, he actually just returned fire in-kind in the first bout, and didn't let Pac dictate the pace of the Fight. Also, Agapito showed that Pac can be mentally razzed in the ring by being roughed up.