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JC Chavez vs Pacman

Julio Cesar Chavez in his prime against Pacman at lightweight.

Who wins?
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Old 07-01-2008, 12:55 AM   #2 (permalink)

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Chavez was a career 135-140 and pac has only one fight at 135. So I'll take Chavez based on that fact.

But if you take that out, I say Pac has a fair chance. Recall Meldrick taylor and Whitaker? Speed and footwork can give Chavez problems. It is possible Pac to go in and out with combinations and perplex Chavez. He might be able to pound out a decision. Pac has pop, but not enough to knock the iron chin chavez out.

But that's the strategy. Chavez has amazing will and body work in his prime. He could wear pac down with body shots and unrelenting pressure. Pac has never really met body destroying machine.

It is really an interesting match up. While Pac has fought good pressure fighters like Morales, Chavez might be on a different level. So his pressure might be something pac has never seen and dealt with. But the only fighters I have seen pac have big problems with are boxers. JMM gave him lots of problem with his counter punching game. Morales did well in the first fight when he used his height, reach, and jab. JCC doesn't have that though. Uhk. Who knows...
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Chavez was a career 135-140 and pac has only one fight at 135. So I'll take Chavez based on that fact.

But if you take that out, I say Pac has a fair chance. Recall Meldrick taylor and Whitaker? Speed and footwork can give Chavez problems. It is possible Pac to go in and out with combinations and perplex Chavez. He might be able to pound out a decision. Pac has pop, but not enough to knock the iron chin chavez out.

But that's the strategy. Chavez has amazing will and body work in his prime. He could wear pac down with body shots and unrelenting pressure. Pac has never really met body destroying machine.

It is really an interesting match up. While Pac has fought good pressure fighters like Morales, Chavez might be on a different level. So his pressure might be something pac has never seen and dealt with. But the only fighters I have seen pac have big problems with are boxers. JMM gave him lots of problem with his counter punching game. Morales did well in the first fight when he used his height, reach, and jab. JCC doesn't have that though. Uhk. Who knows...
solid evaluation..

JCC was a murderous body puncher
Manny has an incredibly violent conditioning program for his abdominal region (burnt Rattan striking, ala MT training).

The idea that Manny would have to chew up Chavez while he rushes in seems fair.
If Manny were to use his in and out movement, and hit Chavez hard and fast before the Mexican can square up and press; I say he would have a solid chance at stopping the fight on cuts...

Should Chavez slow Manny down with bodyshots, the advantage goes back to the man with more natural size.....

makes for interesting speculation..

If only Castillo were still prime at lightweight..we could have a more adequate real time gauge on how Manny would fair against a true square stance Mexican body puncher.
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I belive Jcc would take a decision.

Piercing body shots would win it for Chavez
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Body shots are Good but Head Punch is more Devastating. This fight is a matter of strategy and conditioning. If chavez goes in everytime with his head expose Pac will caught him. But if not?? Those body shots will take it's toll on the later rounds. It's really hard to tell. But i'll go with Pac because his the more quicker guy.
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Chavez was a career 135-140 and pac has only one fight at 135. So I'll take Chavez based on that fact.

But if you take that out, I say Pac has a fair chance. Recall Meldrick taylor and Whitaker? Speed and footwork can give Chavez problems. It is possible Pac to go in and out with combinations and perplex Chavez. He might be able to pound out a decision. Pac has pop, but not enough to knock the iron chin chavez out.

But that's the strategy. Chavez has amazing will and body work in his prime. He could wear pac down with body shots and unrelenting pressure. Pac has never really met body destroying machine.

It is really an interesting match up. While Pac has fought good pressure fighters like Morales, Chavez might be on a different level. So his pressure might be something pac has never seen and dealt with. But the only fighters I have seen pac have big problems with are boxers. JMM gave him lots of problem with his counter punching game. Morales did well in the first fight when he used his height, reach, and jab. JCC doesn't have that though. Uhk. Who knows...
Good analysis, Pac would be persuaded to try his power on JCC after being attacked intensely only to find out that his power shots arent enough

JCC TKO10
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I think chavez would wear him down and stop him in the 8th or 9th. He is tougher and is physically stronger and hits harder at that weight.
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I Think Chavez at that weight would win that fight... It would be a war
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Im a big Julio fan but after thinking about it for a second, I think the combination of Manny's speed AND power would come out on top.
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both in their prime pac takes this one with total domination,chavez was phenomenal dont get me wrong but damn common just look at the styles,chavez wouldnt see it coming. pacquiao by total rage and now obviously with bad ass technical ability.chavez kinda reminds me of a better barrerra but a barrerra nonetheless.pacquiao no doubt
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