Greatest heavyweight of all time - Page 13

**mschatz** · 07-17-2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by reignON

I hate Muhammad Ali. He lost fair and square the first time to Joe Frazier and than he beats a Joe Frazier who is blind in one eye the next 2 fights, and still talks trash. Ali is the worst, he made a mockery of black people during that era, didn't serve his country, man there is so many reasons why I hate him.

Anyways my favorite HW is SMOKIN JOE FRAZIER greatest HW of all time. Screw Muhammad.

Honorable mention Joe Louis.

Best HW of our Era Lennox Lewis.

Someone must have watched a documentary lately.

Seano · 07-17-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mschatz

Someone must have watched a documentary lately.

To be fair, Ali was a douchebag.

**mschatz** · 07-17-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Seano

To be fair, Ali was a douchebag.

Agreed.

webeballin · 07-17-2009, 03:55 PM

Sam "hands of stone" Stout

Nothing like a mediocre mma fighter taking the knickname of one of the greatest boxers of all time and mma journalists reminding us of the great decline of boxing and how "mma takin ovah" as such

The Elemental O · 07-17-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Seano

To be fair, Ali was a douchebag.

So was Frazier, anyone who proudly proclaims to be the cause of Ali's Parkinson disease makes him an even a bigger douchebag and therefore gets no sympathy from me. Ali actually apologized for his treatment of Frazier and admitted his own douchebaggary (you do get wiser as you grow older): Ali apologizes to Smokin' Joe

Ice Cold Milk · 07-17-2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Elemental O

So was Frazier, anyone who proudly proclaims to be the cause of Ali's Parkinson disease makes him an even a bigger douchebag and therefore gets no sympathy from me. Ali actually apologized for his treatment of Frazier and admitted his own douchebaggary (you do get wiser as you grow older): Ali apologizes to Smokin' Joe

It's a lot easier for Ali to apologize though considering the circumstances.

Rastas · 07-17-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Seano

Well I disagree with the thinking that Ali was the all time greatest HW except for when he lost to Spinks, Holmes and Berbick. He was the same guy, same career. His losses on his record count, no matter what his condition was. Tyson had like 45 fights before he lost to Douglas, but we base Tysons entire legacy on the fight with douglas.

We never give Tyson any credit for beating guys that beat Ali either. Spinks beat a stil relevant Holmes and Tyson crushed him. Holmes never got knocked out by ANYONE besides Tyson but he was shot right? Even though he went on to win many more fights against several relevant fighters for several more years?

Why can't I just cut Douglas out of Tysons career, the way we do with all of Alis losses and claim that he "wasn't his best?"

Huge difference, Tyson was 23 and in his prime while Ali was a faded 36.

gunranger2 · 07-17-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Elemental O

So was Frazier, anyone who proudly proclaims to be the cause of Ali's Parkinson disease makes him an even a bigger douchebag and therefore gets no sympathy from me. Ali actually apologized for his treatment of Frazier and admitted his own douchebaggary (you do get wiser as you grow older): Ali apologizes to Smokin' Joe

Ali never apologized to him personally. I have no qualms with Frazier getting the last laugh and being bitter. Not that it's right but Ali went more than overboard. Then again I am also the type of person that will hold a grudge till death as well.