Fedor's boxing - Page 12

uppercuts21 · 11-06-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by anubismcdeath

Well Daniel Igali and Carol Huynh both have won gold at the olympics for Canada. From what I here no on on team canada can take gsp down. Saying Canadians suck at wrestling just because we don't win the tops in the world is like saying American mma fighters are no good because they don't own all the divisions in a global sport. Fedor Russian, Rua/Machida Brazillian, Anderson Silva, Brazilian, Gsp Canadian. Bj penn is the one top dog in weights 155 and up for America.

Hasnt Igali been retired and is now coaching SFU?

The bottom line is Canada simply is not a good wrestling country. There is almost no interest in the sport, the majority of high schools dont even have wrestling teams and there are minimal wrestling gyms if any to train at.

With that said GSP would not qualify for the Olympics. Even if he miraculously did qualify he would get manhandled by the elite in the Olympics.

Americans barely own anything in MMA. However, they at least own some and have others competing for those titles. In wrestling, Canada is nowhere aside from a tiny female.

FreshPrince · 11-06-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ROTWILR

That just because someone is considered good at something in MMA doesnt mean they will be good at that in that sport because they are adapted differently.

You boxing elitists are the ones saying "omg lol mma ppl say this guy is a great boxer lol omg lol omg wtf lol" Those guys do have great boxing skills, great boxing skills adapted to mma. Just like GSP has great wrestling adapted to MMA but would still get owned in a straight up wrestling match against a pure wrestler.

I mean do you see olympic wrestlers posting on this board laughing at lesnars wrestling or GSPs wrestling? No because only boxing has d-bag elitists who feel the need to say "dude his boxing suxors dewd wtf stop saying hes a good boxer u loser wtf lol"

Nah, I don't see it that way. Good boxing is good boxing, whether it be in mma or boxing. There are differences, but they are highly exagerated around here. The "well it's good adapted for mma" arguement is just a way to get around the fact that there is very little talent with the current mma fighters.

anubismcdeath · 11-06-2009, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by uppercuts21

Hasnt Igali been retired and is now coaching SFU?

The bottom line is Canada simply is not a good wrestling country. There is almost no interest in the sport, the majority of high schools dont even have wrestling teams and there are minimal wrestling gyms if any to train at.

With that said GSP would not qualify for the Olympics. Even if he miraculously did qualify he would get manhandled by the elite in the Olympics.

Americans barely own anything in MMA. However, they at least own some and have others competing for those titles. In wrestling, Canada is nowhere aside from a tiny female.

Population wise we have almost no people compared to other countries, but all things considered we do well at sports. Keep your eye out for Rory Macdonald, a 20 year old kid I used to train with, he makes his UFC debut on jan 11th. GSP apparently thinks he is gonna be a force so I would assume he would know.

uppercuts21 · 11-06-2009, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by anubismcdeath

Population wise we have almost no people compared to other countries, but all things considered we do well at sports. Keep your eye out for Rory Macdonald, a 20 year old kid I used to train with, he makes his UFC debut on jan 11th. GSP apparently thinks he is gonna be a force so I would assume he would know.

Yeah, were solid at everything for the most part. But I dont think were very good at wrestling.

polsarc · 11-07-2009, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by FreshPrince

Nah, I don't see it that way. Good boxing is good boxing, whether it be in mma or boxing. There are differences, but they are highly exagerated around here. The "well it's good adapted for mma" arguement is just a way to get around the fact that there is very little talent with the current mma fighters.

I'm glad you see it that way. Also, good kicking is good kicking, regardless of whether it's soccer or MMA.

Two more points:

1.) In MMA rules, pure anything doesn't work. Pure boxing definitely... I mean, look at Royce Gracie vs Art Jimmerson, Ray Mercer vs Kimbo Slice (Slice won by submission, btw. Slice. Submission.) I assume only pure boxing is good boxing. That's why you probably will never see 100% boxing in a fight where kicks, take downs, submissions, elbows, hell, punches both above and below the waist, are allowed.

Also, a professional, pure soccer player would probably get destroyed in the same manner as a professional pure boxer in a MMA match most of the time, if we ignore the variables known as striker's chance. But the soccer player would of course have much better kicking skill, something they train for almost all of the time.

2.) MMA has less talent than boxing right now, yes. But compare the first 15 years of boxing to the first 15 years of MMA. If MMA and boxing started at the same time, the talent pool would be a lot closer, depending on what the general public prefers.

Liemann · 11-07-2009, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by boje.

Van Damme would kick Segals ass, just like them Rastafarian twins should have in that one movie.

YouTube - THE TRUE STORY : Van Damme vs Seagal - Fight at Sylvester Stallone party [1997]

anubismcdeath · 11-07-2009, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Liemann

YouTube - THE TRUE STORY : Van Damme vs Seagal - Fight at Sylvester Stallone party [1997]

lol

uppercuts21 · 11-07-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by polsarc

I'm glad you see it that way. Also, good kicking is good kicking, regardless of whether it's soccer or MMA.

Two more points:

1.) In MMA rules, pure anything doesn't work. Pure boxing definitely... I mean, look at Royce Gracie vs Art Jimmerson, Ray Mercer vs Kimbo Slice (Slice won by submission, btw. Slice. Submission.) I assume only pure boxing is good boxing. That's why you probably will never see 100% boxing in a fight where kicks, take downs, submissions, elbows, hell, punches both above and below the waist, are allowed.

Also, a professional, pure soccer player would probably get destroyed in the same manner as a professional pure boxer in a MMA match most of the time, if we ignore the variables known as striker's chance. But the soccer player would of course have much better kicking skill, something they train for almost all of the time.

2.) MMA has less talent than boxing right now, yes. But compare the first 15 years of boxing to the first 15 years of MMA. If MMA and boxing started at the same time, the talent pool would be a lot closer, depending on what the general public prefers.

YouTube - Tim Sylvia vs Ray Mercer KO Fight Video

Steakeater · 11-07-2009, 02:19 PM

Im on the fence here. Yeah FreshPrince is right about top boxers being able to punch well in mma, because boxing is well, boxing. But the very top of boxers are also unorthodox. Winky, Floyd, etc. Its simply too big of a speculation to make a statement.

I think a top 25 boxer is more well suited for mma than a top 3 boxer, simply because theres a good chance he is more textbook, and is good at being textbook.

HeavyD99 · 11-07-2009, 05:11 PM

Well Sylvia vs Mercer was really just a boxing match with MMA gloves, as opposed to an actual MMA fight. It was originally supposed to be a boxing match, so Tim was just following the script. Mercer knew Sylvia wanted to prove he could hang as a boxer and wasn't going for any kick/knees/takedowns.

If that was an MMA fighter, who had no intention to show off his boxing skills, there is no way he would just walk up to Mercer knowing who he is. That fight was a freebie for Mercer