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D&R's Top 50 Heavyweight List: August '06 Edition
Its baaaaack.
UNIFIED D&R RANKING RULES
1) + and - symbols next to name denotes how far the fighter moved up or down in rankings.
2) Rankings are based on criteria; Success in ring, level of opposition, Physical appearance (a fighter who wins but comes in very heavy will see his stock drop), activity. There's no hard formula; I come up with the rankings, damnit. If you've got a legitimate complaint, I'll be glad to hear it.
Champ: VACANT. This spot will be filled under the following conditions:
-#1 and #2, if clear as such, fight and produce a winner
-One fighter unifies 3 belts or defeats holders of 3 belts in any combination (3 1 belt champs, 1 one belt champ & one two belt champ). Fighter may drop paper title if continuing to fight other champions, a la Naseem Hamed.
1) Wladimir Klitschko (-): Nothing changes at the top, just who he might be fighting in November is up in the air while Oleg thinks about things.
2) Sergei Liakhovich (+1): Moves up in the aftermath of the Rahman loss. The McBride fight never came off, and he's a big question mark, as Don King seems to have no plans for him. I'd be pleased with a defense against either Skelton or McCline, and neither is good.
3) Oleg Maskaev (+10): Not as far up a mover as in most polls, but that's why they suck and mine is better. Maskaev doesn't become #2 because Liakhovich beat a guy who fought to deserve the ranking of #1 at the time. Maskaev beat a guy who became #2 as people retired or lost around him. I even picked him to win. Fuck the haters. That's why I'm leading the BWBS and rec.sport.boxing prediction leagues, and you aren't.
4) Lamon Brewster (-): Hasn't changed because Hasim got KOed AGAIN. But he'll fall. Maybe.
5) Hasim Rahman (-3): Doesn't fall that much because its not like Maskaev dominated and destroyed him, and he was #2 before. Also, there's the bit about the Toney fight. More about that when we reach Tubby #1.
6) Nicolay Valuev (-1): He sucks.
7) John Ruiz (-): Rises because Byrd may never fight at heavyweight again. Will fight Ruslan Chagaev in a bout sure to depress and bore the hell out of the entire European continent. BTW, if you want to complain about the Ruiz/Valuev decision, yes, I've watched it, yes, I scored it, and I had it 114-114. If you want to look at my round by round notes, I'll be glad to repost them, trust me. I have no problem defending my opinion in that fight.
8) Calvin Brock (+2): Sadly may be the best heavyweight prospect in the US. Well, at least of the current crop with more than 10 wins.
9) Chris Byrd (-3): May fight at cruiserweight next time out, and thus will be removed entirely.
10) James Toney (-2): Fatty #1 didn't deserve the decision of a draw with Rahman, never actually beat Ruiz, and is gonna come in looking fucking portly as shit against Fatty #2.
11) Luan Krasniqi (-1): Krasniqi is the most underrated heavyweight currently active in the world scene, bar none. Amazingly, in spite of the fact that the 4 champions are ALL european white guys who've fought primarily overseas (except perhaps Maskaev), the knock on Krasniqi is that "he fights in Germany too much". Yeah, he fights real prospects and talents instead of the shitbag excuses for fighters in the US. What a shame. He really needs more quality opposition like Bigfoot Everitt.
12) Samuel Pete (-): Fatty #2 is retarded, I swear. Total dumbass. If he came in at 230, he'd smoke Toney like a blunt? 260? You lazy fat fuck.
13) Monte Barrett (+2): Scheduled to be the next victim of robbery, err, Valuev opponent.
14) Sultan Ibragimov (-): In spite of his laughably bad performance against Ray Austin, he neither moves forward or back, because hey, it was a draw, and this region is where everyone else in that talent level exists. Look:
15) Ray Austin
16) Larry Donald
14-16 are basically even. If it upsets you that any are above the rest, imagine a big "14T" there instead. I don't give a fuck.
17) Tony Thompson (+30): By far the biggest mover of the summer, he boosts 30 points by blowing away Guinn and making him look horrible. Not that it was the first time, but he did it, and that's a lot better than anything else anyone in this region did with their time this year.
18) Matt Skelton (+6): Beat Fatty McFat and retired the Tam-Tam name.
19) Ruslan Chagaev (+8)
20) Vladimir Virchis (+8)
After some careful consideration, I place these guys back to back. They're basically dead even in my mind. Chagaev got a close ass decision against Virchis, Virchis got a gift against Sprott whom Chagaev KOed but KOed Vidoz in return. Boston, you can be happy now.
21) Fres Oquendo (-2): inspired by a recent thread - Oquendo by rabbit punch
22) Davarryl Williamson (-2): For all his excellent amateur credentials and Necro's ridiculous belief that he took a dive against Mesi, Williamson looks stiff as fuck in the ring almost every fight and can easily be cold cocked. He's also like 300 years old.
23) Juan Carlos Gomez (-5): Is he even active anymore?
24) Henry Akinwande (+1): Older than time, Akinwande is looking to knock out Oleg Platov next month.
25) David Tua (-4): Continues to look worse and worse, not better.
26) Jameel McCline (+8): Showed restraint for the first time in his career and thus didn't gas badly in the end against Terry Smith.
27) Sinam Samil Sam (-1): Stays steady in spite of scare against Saul Montana.
28) Derek Bryant (+1): Been a few months since KOing Sykes.
29) Damian Wills (NEW): Comes from way outside with three straight wins of consequence to end up here. Keeps his head up straight too much and looked gassed in the 7th and 8th against Salif.
30) Shannon Briggs (+3): Moving up with the northern opposition being KOed left and right. Really not good, likely to be beaten within an inch of his life against Klitschko. Less of a threat than Derrick Jefferson, and I mean it.
31) Kevin Johnson (+1): He has a really good jab. And when I find my copy of the Wiggins fight again, I know he threw other punches. Could be worse. He could just hold all the goddamned time, right Malik?
32) Dominick Guinn (-9): Big fall for the Southern Disaster. Deservedly so, too. I bet he could beat Briggs though, hilariously.
33) Paolo Vidoz (-11): Vidoz probably could too, but he lost to Virchis by KO. Oh well. Old, may not have much left overall.
34) Alexander Potvetkin (+1): Moves up with others moving down. Scheduled to fight on the 23rd of September.
35) Alexander Dimitrenko (+4): Feliz and Van Sickle are moves back, but at least there's activity there.
36) Kali Meehan (+2): Picked up a win over Rogerio Lobo shortly before Lobo's death.
37) Eddie Chambers (+4): America's best hope for long term cruiserweight glory is a chubby heavyweight with no pop. Saw the Mahone bout, didn't think it was too fishy, but not impressed. Mahone lays back and gets punched a ton, does land some decent leather of his own along the way. Mahone has been out of it for awhile, since at least the Terrance Lewis bout.
38) Timo Hoffman (-2): Fighting Cengiz Koc, going to decision with Okine is not impressive. At all.
39) Roman Greenberg (+1): Moves up with casualties, won't last long with this inactivity.
40) Scott Gammer (+6): Now the British Heavyweight Champion, tenatively scheduled to meet Danny Williams in October.
41) Taras Bidenko (+4)
42) Alex Mazikin (+6)
As evenly matched a fight as you can get coming up on the 22nd. Neither one punches hard, Mazikin is more of a boxer and a former Olympian, Bidenko is a volume puncher. Could really be interesting.
43) Michael Sprott (-13): Falls plenty with his loss to Chagaev, especially with the circumstances around it.
44) Zuri Lawrence (-13): Can't punch worth a lick, but not awful in the ring. The Ray Austin fight and the win over McCline keep him in the top 20 after the recent loss.
45) Malik Scott (-2): Unwatchable, no interest in boxing aside from monetary compensation, and that may end with his criminal justice college degree.
46) Mariusz Wach (NEW): Enters with win over Arthur Cook. I know next to nothing about him. Another "Great Polish Hope".
47) David Caideux (+3): Moves up following Lobo victory.
48) Tye Fields (NEW): Beat a fat Mo Harris, and some other journeymen.
49) Danny Williams (-38): May seem harsh, but consider this: He was outboxed, cleanly, by Matt Skelton. He also weighed nearly 290lbs.
50) Damian Norris (NEW): Enters by beating Jason Gavern. A real cruiser though. Scheduled to fight Chris Arreola.
JUST MISSED THE CUT: Carlos Nesting Takam, Chris Arreola, Timor Ibragimov, Evander Holyfield, Tomasz Bonin, Kevin McBride
INTERESTING FACTOID: There were 16 super heavyweights in the 2004 Olympics. Even with the sorry state of the division, only 5 (Nesting Takam of Cameroon, Gbenga Oloukun of Nigeria, Jason Estrada of the US, Victor Bisbal of Puerto Rico, and Alexander Povetkin of Russia, the gold medalist) have turned pro. The silver medalist and both bronze medalists (Mohamed Aly of Egypt, Mukhtarkhan Dildabekov of Kazakhstan, and Roberto Cammarelle of Italy) have yet to even turn pro two years later.
By contrast, 3 of the medalists from the 1996 games turned pro almost immediately (Wladimir Klitschko, Paea Wolfgramm, and Duncan Dokiwari) and were similarly joined by Paolo Vidoz (who went to the 2000 Olympics), Rene Monse, Attila Levin, Josue Blocus, Sergei Liakhovich, Jean Francois Begeron, and Lawrence Clay Bey.
edit; removed Mesi from "JMTC" and added Holyfield. I was very tired last night writing this. Holyfield looked okayish against Bates, who's a decent opponent, and blew him out, unlike Mesi's fight with Bellamy, his best comeback opponent.)
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Last edited by DeadAndRestless; 08-19-2006 at 11:33 AM.
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