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Old 11-30-2006, 09:05 PM   #31 (permalink)

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Old 11-30-2006, 09:13 PM   #32 (permalink)
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^Exit only....lol who the fuck are you trying to fool?
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Old 11-30-2006, 09:15 PM   #33 (permalink)

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Old 11-30-2006, 09:36 PM   #34 (permalink)
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why? UFC 65 beat pacman by a wide margin.

boxing was never dead, it is still popular worldwide.
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Old 11-30-2006, 10:21 PM   #35 (permalink)

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How's this a good thing? This will just cause HBO to put out more PPVs.
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Old 11-30-2006, 10:42 PM   #36 (permalink)

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why? UFC 65 beat pacman by a wide margin.

boxing was never dead, it is still popular worldwide.

Well, if that's really the case then somebody's getting rich and it isn't the fighters.

The following figures are based on the fighter salary information that the UFC is required by law to submit to the state athletic commissions, including the winners' bonuses.

Title Match & Main Event Fighters

-Tim Sylvia: $120,000 (defeated Jeff Monson)

-Matt Hughes: $75,000 (lost to Georges St. Pierre)

-Georges St. Pierre: $58,000 (defeated Matt Hughes)

-Jeff Monson: $13,000 (lost to Tim Sylvia)


Main Card Fighters

-Brandon Vera: $40,000 (defeated Frank Mir)

-Frank Mir: $36,000 (lost to Brandon Vera)

-Joe Stevenson: $24,000 (defeated Dokonjonosuke Mishima)

-Alessio Sakara: $10,000 (lost to Drew McFedries)

-Drew McFedries: $8,000 (defeated Alessio Sakara)

-Dokonjonosuke Mishima: $8,000 (lost to Joe Stevenson)


Preliminary Match Fighters

-Nick Diaz: $24,000 (defeated Gleison Tibau)

-Jake O'Brien: $12,000 (defeated Josh Shockman)

-James Irvin: $10,000 (defeated Hector Ramirez)

-Antoni Hardonk: $6,000 (defeated Sherman Pendergarst)

-Sherman Pendergarst: $4,000 (lost to Antoni Hardonk)

-Josh Shockman: $3,000 (lost to Jake O'Brien)

-Hector Ramirez: $3,000 (lost to James Irvin)

-Gleison Tibau: $3,000 (lost to Nick Diaz)


Disclosed Fighter Payroll: $457,000
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Old 11-30-2006, 10:45 PM   #37 (permalink)

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The live season finale of The Ultimate Fighter 4 drew a 1.1 overall rating on Saturday, November 11th, making it the least-watched TUF season finale in the history of the series. The previous low for a TUF finale was the 1.9 overall rating that was drawn by the first season finale.

While a 1.1 overall rating is still a solid rating for cable television, it's barely above Spike TV's recent primetime average of 1.0, and there's a big difference between drawing almost double the primetime average of a cable network and just barely surpassing it.


Ratings Also Down in Key Demographics

Among 18-to-34-year-old males, which is the viewer demographic that is seen as the most important by Spike TV and the UFC due to the fact that it is highly coveted by advertisers, the first three TUF finales drew ratings of 3.3, 3.7, and 3.8, respectively. The TUF 4 finale drew a 2.0 rating in this demographic, which is a decrease of 44 percent from the previous average for live TUF finales.

In the slightly broader 18-to-49-year-old male demographic, the first three live season finales of TUF drew ratings of 2.7, 2.7, and 2.9, respectively. The TUF 4 finale drew a 1.5 rating in this demographic, which is a decrease of 46 percent from the previous average for live TUF finales.


TUF 4 Finale Reverses Trend of TUF Finales Out-Drawing Regular Seasons

At this time of the year in 2005, The Ultimate Fighter 2 drew some of the lowest ratings in series history in the last several weeks of the twelve-episode regular season, only to rebound when the live season finale drew an excellent 2.0 overall rating.

This year, The Ultimate Fighter 4 was the least-watched season to date, and unlike TUF 2, it did not rebound with a stronger rating for the live season finale.

Historically, the live season finale of any given TUF season has always drawn better ratings than the twelve-episode regular season. After all, the entire regular season is designed to build up the live finale and ensure that even if a viewer misses an episode or two (or three) of the regular season, he or she will still make sure to tune in for the live season finale.

The first season of TUF improved from a 1.6 regular season average to 1.9 for the live season finale. The second season of TUF improved from a 1.4 regular season average to 2.0 for the live finale. The third season of TUF improved from a 1.7 regular season average to 2.0 for the live season finale. On average, the first three TUF season finales drew 26 percent higher ratings than the first three TUF regular seasons.

In the case of the TUF 4 finale, the opposite was true. The twelve-episode regular season drew an average rating of 1.2, and the live season finale drew a 1.1 overall rating.


TUF 4 Finale Also Lower-Rated than Non-TUF Live Specials

Instead of making more and more viewers of the show excited to see the live finale at the end of the season, it seem as though the regular season of TUF 4 actually caused viewers to have less interest in watching the TUF season finale than they would normally have in watching a UFC live fight special in general.

This is evidenced by the fact that the TUF 4 finale was not just the least-watched TUF finale in UFC history; it was also the least-watched live fight special that the UFC has ever aired on Spike TV. The live UFC Fight Night events, which typically draw much lower ratings than the TUF finales, have still averaged higher ratings than the TUF 4 finale was able to draw.

The reason that this is disconcerting is because the UFC Fight Night live specials don't have entire seasons of The Ultimate Fighter to build them up, whereas the TUF live finales obviously do. Therefore, it only makes sense that the TUF finales have generally drawn higher ratings than the UFC Fight Night specials, with the obvious exception of the October 10th special and its Tito Ortiz vs. Ken Shamrock main event (which had years of build-up behind it).

The "non-TUF" live fight specials that the UFC has aired on Spike TV (ie, the Ultimate Fight Night and UFC Fight Night events) are also lower-rated in part because they are often placed awkwardly in the middle of the week. Only one of the seven Ultimate Fight Night/UFC Fight Night specials has aired on a Saturday night, which has been established for years as the week's primary "Fight Night" in both boxing and MMA.

The non-TUF fight cards on Spike TV have, on average, outdrawn the TUF 4 live finale terms of the overall rating (1.8 to 1.1), as well as the 18-to-34-year-old male demographic (2.9 to 2.0), and in the 18-to-49-year-old male demographic (2.3 to 1.5).


The Big Question: Beginning of a Trend?

The big question moving forward is whether TUF 4's low ratings are just an aberration or whether they represent the beginning of a downward trend for UFC ratings. The latter would seem to be very unlikely, given the fact that less than two months ago, the UFC drew a phenomenal 3.1 overall rating for Ortiz-Shamrock III.

The likely reason for the drastically decreased TUF 4 ratings is not that there's a general disinterest in the UFC among people who watched previous seasons of TUF. It's much more likely that the appeal (or lack of appeal) of a TUF season or a UFC live fight special is entirely dependent on the actual fighters and how well they are promoted.

It's clearly not just the UFC brand name that sells, or there wouldn't be a live fight special drawing a 3.1 rating in October and a second live fight special from the same company drawing a 1.1 rating in November. It's all about the product and specifically how interested or disinterested the television-viewing public is in seeing the product that's being presented to them.

Ortiz-Shamrock III, while it wasn't something that was highly anticipated among hardcore fans of the sport, was a product that millions and millions of casual MMA fans (and new fans) were interested in seeing. The Ultimate Fighter 4 was not, for all of the various reasons that we've analyzed ad nauseam over the past few months. More than anything else, the ratings drawn by the TUF 4 finale demonstrate that if fans aren't interested in the specific fights or fighters that are being presented, they're not going to watch just because it's the UFC or just because it's on free TV.

With overexposure being one of the problems, Spike TV and Zuffa went a long way towards alleviating that problem when they delayed the fifth season of TUF, which had been tentatively set to start filming in October and airing in January (it's now tentatively scheduled to start filming in January and airing in April). The brief delay was a smart move that will help the series in the long run by avoiding overexposure.

When TUF 5 does start airing several months from now, its success or failure is going to be based on whether or not the producers of the series are able to conceive and execute a concept for the season that resonates with hardcore and casual fans alike.
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Old 11-30-2006, 10:48 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Great summary. But since you are the essence of of length and depth. I will summarize my take as the essence of brevity and conciseness.

Anything banking on a reality show for continued success will fail. Why? Because the reality show will invariably come to an end. This TUF was unique in perhaps the lack of drunken drama and all those wacky hijinks that follow it. In my opinon that is the root cause of falling ratings. Apparently that shit is entertaining to a lot of people.

And because even the most giddiest of kiddies realizes what an artifical setup is and their desire for it fades off..

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Old 11-30-2006, 11:26 PM   #39 (permalink)

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Wow Kid, I am down on boxing's coverage as a sport but not because I think others like MMA are better. MMA IMO can't, if I can quote Larry Holmes after losing to Michael Spinks correctly,"hold my jockstrap". My point was more to what you had said about the two thirds of people, who without ever watching a fight, will dismiss boxing, and MMA for that matter, as barbaric. It is hard to make new fans when 90% of the media will not cover you without slanting in their idelogy.

Nascar in some ways has become the current fad of watching a trainwreck that everyone wants to see, not to put boxing in that low of a class. It would be nice if you could get some new fans to boxing, but it needs to be marketed correctly. I noone here wants to admit it but the last big upswing of fans came from freakin Tyson. PBF and others are great but they don't give us the early 80's version of fights, Leonard, Duran, Hearns, Haglar, Mugabi, Pryor, Argeullo. It held over the public with great fights and personalities. Now we have the personalities in spots but the great fights are lacking to get a 10 year old version of myself into watching boxing, and not the trainwreck.
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And yet none of these sports have ever produced an international icon equal to a Muhammad Ali or Joe Louis, who are as known through the world as Babe Ruth and Michael Jordan are in their U.S. homebase, and the nation producing the lion’s share of global sports revenue still resolutely rejects the existence of Soccer, viewing it as “a weak little sport for weak little people in weak little countries”, in the words of one sport writer.

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erm, Pele? Maradonna? Beckham?


Football (or soccer as you know it) is by far, the worlds biggest sport. Nothing else is even close.
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