[likkuid]

Originally Posted by Ziltoid

You seriously gotta switch up your routine bro. Calf raises?

People keep telling him but he won't listen. You're the 4th or 5th person to tell him to change his workout routine. He's not. Don't bother.

[RollinDownRodeo]

Originally Posted by Stormbringer

...and damn, this concludes the longest post I've ever written....

it might be a record.

[will-million]

Originally Posted by likkuid

People keep telling him but he won't listen. You're the 4th or 5th person to tell him to change his workout routine. He's not. Don't bother.

i told everyone im gonna use this for awhile, but when i switch it up is the 5X5 the best possible routine?

[likkuid]

Originally Posted by will-million

i told everyone im gonna use this for awhile, but when i switch it up is the 5X5 the best possible routine?

Why waste time doing what you feel 'comfortable' with when there's something that works much more effectively. 5x5, I don't know - I only know what works best for my body because that's the limit to what I've researched. For people trying to lose a substantial amount of fat, I'm sure their exercise requirements differ from mine.

[anaconda]

Originally Posted by will-million

i told everyone im gonna use this for awhile, but when i switch it up is the 5X5 the best possible routine?

If you're asking for advice a good idea is to heed the advice of those who know more.

But if you want to waste time doing "pretty boy" muscles like arms and calves, only your development will be stalled. No one else loses anything from your stubborness.

Even this:

day 2-may 6
legs(heavy/low reps)
bench squats sets/4 reps/8,6,6,4 weight/95,115,135,155
hack squats sets/3 reps/10,6,6 weight/70,120,140
leg press sets/4 reps/8,6,4,4 weight/180,270,360,450
leg curls sets/3 reps/10,10,10 weight/100,110,120
leg extensions sets/3 reps/8,8,8 weight/100,110,120

Is a poor excuse for a workout. If you really want to speed up development, muscle gain, and fat loss, then you should stop doing isolation exercises. You dont need to do leg curls, bicep curls, leg extensions, tricep extensions, calves, etc.

You say "I want to do this for a while" but you've only had like two or three workouts. Its not like you're set in a routine.

Look - something is always better than nothing. If your only choice is to do the poor routine you have or not workout, well have at it. But if you are serious about your goals then start listening to people who know more than you and work your ass off.

[anaconda]

Originally Posted by likkuid

Why waste time doing what you feel 'comfortable' with when there's something that works much more effectively. 5x5, I don't know - I only know what works best for my body because that's the limit to what I've researched. For people trying to lose a substantial amount of fat, I'm sure their exercise requirements differ from mine.

the thing is, even if hes more comfortable with this the other (more effective) routines are much easier to follow. Less exercises to do, less time spent at the gym, more weight moved, and more muscles recruited. What more can you ask for? You can do a hundred leg extensions and hamstring curls, or you can do 5 sets of heavy squats and get a tenfold better workout.

And its not necessarily the 5 x 5, although thats a good option. Go read the FAQ and stickies in the S & P. But dont post there - if you thought you got flamed here, well you'll be in for a treat if you decide to post.

Also check out the conditioning sub-forum stickies. Plenty of great information that will correct your mistaken beliefs.

[RollinDownRodeo]

Originally Posted by will-million

calves
seated calf raise sets/3 reps/20,20,20 weight/90,90
standing calf raise sets/3 reps/30,30,15 weight/245,245,360
calf press sets/4 reps/20,12,12, weight/90,180,180

My man, the reason everyone told you to drop arm isolation exercises is because they are small muscles compared to other muscles that you could be spending your time on instead. You know what another small muscle is? You're fucking calves! Now as I said in my previous post, I applaude you for doing something about losing the weight you want to lose. But do yourself a favor and buy Starting Strength by Mark Rippetoe. Learn to squat, deadlift, bench, and press things over your head correctly. Working these large muscles will work wonders for melting that fat away and it will do it a hell of a lot faster than working your biceps, triceps, and calves. I should warn you that there is an inevitable side effect: you'll get stronger too. Oh well...

[anaconda]

Originally Posted by RollinDownRodeo

My man, the reason everyone told you to drop arm isolation exercises is because they are small muscles compared to other muscles that you could be spending your time on instead. You know what another small muscle is? You're fucking calves! Now as I said in my previous post, I applaude you for doing something about losing the weight you want to lose. But do yourself a favor and buy Starting Strength by Mark Rippetoe. Learn to squat, deadlift, bench, and press things over your head correctly. Working these large muscles will work wonders for melting that fat away and it will do it a hell of a lot faster than working your biceps, triceps, and calves. I should warn you that there is an inevitable side effect: you'll get stronger too. Oh well...

Great recommendation, I'm actually going to pick up this book. The reviews are pretty phenomenal:

Amazon.com: Starting Strength (2nd edition): Mark Rippetoe,Lon Kilgore: Books

[will-million]

Does anyone look at the thread's first post in caps lock, i said im gonna switch my program up. Should i do the 2 day push pull split or bill starr 5x5

[RollinDownRodeo]

Originally Posted by will-million

Does anyone look at the thread's first post in caps lock, i said im gonna switch my program up. Should i do the 2 day push pull split or bill starr 5x5

No, because I read it four days ago. Stop editing the first post.

If you haven't read this yet do so: Carnal's treatise on heavy Iron

Push/pull or 5x5 will both work well. You should make fast gains and should be able to add weight at every workout. Make sure you are doing this.