Well, if nothing else, knurling will tear up your hands more.
I agree with this. Beef Builder Grippers fuck my hands up. When my hands are that really dry feeling, it's almost achy.
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And chalk helps to even out the playing field. Dry is dry.
I have never heard of a 7 inch handed guy lifting 6 dimes like Richard Sorin or Wade Gillingham have. Also, I have never heard of a 7 inch hand lifting 3 35's like Chad Woodall or Wade have done. I also don't know if the 10s, or 3 35's are possible for someone with smaller hands. Chalk doesn't level any playing field
My point is, people try to get way into the specifics and don't worry about the feat. I put tape on my Blob40 because even with chalk I can't lift it, however I can move it up and down a sloped board. I sand the paint off my plates so that it isn't so slick, if I could get a knurling thickbar to work on my grip I would. It's all a tool to get stronger hands and is a stepping stone on to the next most difficult thing.
Hell also, I've seen someone pinch very narrow 45's, however can't pinch the wider York 45's. Does that mean the mans feat isn't as good? Or how about people that hub very deep plates vs the people that Hub much more shallower plates. I know people to look for the thinnest 10's so they can do 5 dimes. Or how about people that use the dogleg of a gripper instead of the other side.
If a knurling thickbar helps in getting your hands stronger so you can continue to move up in hand strength, it doesn't defeat the purpose. We all want stronger hands, these are all just tools to get us there
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Good post, and I have to agree with everything you said.
But I still feel like chalk levels the playing field. It doesn't make the lifters equal, but it helps keep consistency in the lifts they do. I have some sweaty fuckin' hands. Some people don't. With chalk, that aspect of the playing field is equal. That's all I'm trying to say.
But I still feel like chalk levels the playing field. It doesn't make the lifters equal, but it helps keep consistency in the lifts they do. I have some sweaty fuckin' hands. Some people don't. With chalk, that aspect of the playing field is equal. That's all I'm trying to say.
Oh I agree with this 100%. When I first started grip training, I didn't want to use chalk because I thought it was cheating. Over time, I realized I was an idiot.
I thought you were responding to my post that chalk levels the field when it comes to the feat being lifted. Sorry about that.
I guess what I'm saying is, I disagree thoroughly with Zach C. on his analysis of the knurling defeating the purpose on a thickbar
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I don't disagree with him, really. Thickbar makes it harder to lift. Knurling then makes it easier. It doesn't defeat the purpose completely, but I don't think it makes much sense to have knurling.
And just to kind of continue the discussion, I'm not really big on comparing grip feats because unless they're standardized, it's not apples to apples. And if it is standardized, then it takes special equipment. There are hard CoCs and easy CoCs, thick 45s and thin 45s, large hubs and small hubs, etc. For me, grip feats are are just a personal thing. I want to do the best I can with the equipment I have. I don't want to do 5 dimes for the sake of 5 dimes by buying thinner plates. I just wanted to pinch the plates I have. Though not everyone feels this way, and that's fine. It's just personal preference.
That being said, I plan to dominate my #3 and then get certified, just so I can feel special.
I think this argument is kinda useless. Just because knurling helps some on a thickbar doesn't mean you are defeating the purpose.
If that defeats the purpose, then so does putting chalk on your hands. We all know a dry, chalked hand will lift more than a moist hand. If you really want to put stress on your hands, you will lift in your natural state.
To many people try to purify the sport of grip and bending that it became old people bitching about which is which. MMS vs CC vs No Set. Or Overhand vs Underhand vs Reverse. Straight lifting inch vs tilt lifting
I find it more true that when people whine about certain things they are trying to hide there short comings
Chalk, as stated by Matter, provides a consistent surface to train on. Knurling is different. If the bar is digging into your hands instead of able to move freely, the rotation is not as severe as it would be otherwise. The rotation wouldn't disappear, but the difference in weights lifted on a knurled vs. unknurled bar would be substantial enough to screw up weight choices during a competition and make a comparison to numbers put up in competitions pointless. As I wrote previously, if that is not the intention here, then knurling is a fine.
I am not one of those die-hard "old time" nuthuggers you are referring to. Your post was unneccesarily aggressive.
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That being said, I plan to dominate my #3 and then get certified, just so I can feel special.
Tonight I put my #3 in a hose clamp at parallel and was able to smash it, hopefull soon I will be able to take it out of that stupid thing and work on setting it.
Not to cop out or use my hands as a handicap, I just don't think it's possible for me to Cert on the #3. On average they come out of the package at a 3 inch spread and allowing the (brand new out of the box) gripper to open up to credit card length, very unlikely. I have a hard time CC a #2, as it twist in my hands
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Tried to pinch 2x45 tonight and was very close. After assisting the lift with a finger from my other hand, I was able to hold it at lockout for a little bit. I'll get it pretty soon. Fo sho.
Then I set a PR on the wrist roller with 115-120 lbs. I do it pretty strict, with arms at full length and only one hand on the roller during rotation.
