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Old 09-07-2007, 08:05 AM   #121 (permalink)

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Why wouldn't you have your daughter go to a public school?
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Old 09-07-2007, 09:16 AM   #122 (permalink)
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Give this a watch or you can read it here.

It's a John Stossel report on how the education system is failing America.
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Old 09-07-2007, 09:25 AM   #123 (permalink)

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good read. Sounds like if the parents were more involved with the children as well though it could help....i don't know.
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Old 09-07-2007, 09:34 AM   #124 (permalink)
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Give this a watch or you can read it here.

It's a John Stossel report on how the education system is failing America.
John Stossel is a pimp. He did a great piece of a work-fare system several years back. He asked all sorts of hard questions of the scumbag deadbeats.

Deadbeat: Cleaning a park is undignified.

Stossel: Taking the tax payers money without providing any service to them is dignified?

Deadbeat: uhhhhhh.
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Old 09-07-2007, 10:35 AM   #125 (permalink)
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What didn't make sense to me was when they said that the system where the money follows the kid, regardless of the school, is a success in Milwaukee. I live near Milwaukee, and the public schools are still failing miserably. I don't know the facts or figures, but the graduation rate is terrible and the reading level is ridiculously low. Few kids in MPS (milwaukee public schools) actually want to learn, and even so, they are held back by everybody else. There are huge discipline problems. And regardless of if you are smart enough or not, damn near every kid passes his/her grade.

We have something in place called "chapter 220" which is bussing some kids out to the suburbs for better education. Based on the ones at my school, about half really took advantage of the opportunity for a better education and the other half just fucked off got in trouble.
It's sickening. If only these people understood what they were passing up. Something major needs to be done with MPS. The low education level why the poverty level and crime level are so high in Milwaukee.

In contrast, my school district had one of the highest ACT averages in Wisconsin. And Wisconsin has some of the highest ACT averages in the nation. (They are ranked 9th, with 70% of students taking the test. 7 of the 8 states that did better only tested 11 to 22% of their students, likely their top students. See here)

Personally, I don't see any reason to send a kid to private school, at least in my area. The only thing is that my (former) high school, although being extremely good academically, has one of the highest drug and alcohol problems in the nation, supposedly. Although that is great when you are going there, it's not what I would want for my kids (if I had kids), obviously.

But to think there aren't drugs and alcohol in public schools in naive. I don't care what school you go to, you will be exposed to drugs and alcohol, and they will be available. And these days with Meth and Heroine being so popular, that's a scary thing. I don't have any problem with someone wanting to smoke a little grass, or trying shrooms or blow a couple times, but Meth and Heroine aren't anything to fuck around with.

The other option is home schooling. I don't believe in it at all. Not because of the level of education for the kids, as education from two well-educated parents with one on one teaching is probably the best thing, academically. The problem is the social aspect. Of the few people I know who were home schooled, they are weird. Not like the run of the mill weird kids, but really fuckin' weird.

If you feel home schooling is a must, you have to get your kids involved in outside activities immediately. Get them into programs at the YMCA. Get them in Little League, or dance class, or whatever you can to get them to socialize with peers. If not, the chance of raising a kid that is socially inept is just too great.

We all want the best education for our kids so they can be smart, get good jobs, and be successful. But what is even more important is that they are successful socially. True friendships are some of the most valuable things in the world. And spending quality time with friend when you are young is some of the most precious time in a person's life. So if you are going to home school your kids, please don't take that away from them.
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Old 09-07-2007, 11:31 AM   #126 (permalink)
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Being successful socially isn't more important than being intelligent. They are both important, but unless you honestly think that Jessica Simpson is more of a success than Einstein, you should probably rethink your statement.

Home schooled kids aren't weird. Weird kids are weird. My wife was home schooled from most of her education and she's normal. (the fact that she puts up with me is a strong argument for her social aptitude) People go to school to learn. People have friends to be social; don't confuse the two.
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Enjoying life is top priority. Both of your examples are far from average examples. Jessica Simpson is not a success socially. She is surrounded by people that only like her for her looks and money. Those are not real friends.
Not to take anything away from Einstein or others like him, but do you really think he enjoyed his life as much as somebody surrounded by friends and family?
Einstein was far beyond normal intelligence and would have succeeded regardless of schooling, as would most intelligent people.

It was quite the generalization I made about home schooled people, but in general I stand by it. I would never do anything as ignorant as to say that all home schooled kids are weird. Obviously there are going to be a lot of home schooled kids who turn out to be perfectly fine, socially speaking. But I don't believe it to be the majority. Less interaction with other kids for 12 years of your life is likely to leave your social skill lagging.

School is not just for learning. It is also to help you socialize and help you with life in general. If this were not true, there would be no gym class, or art class, or socializing at all. The primary purpose of school is to get educated, but it teaches far greater lessons than anything you can find in a text book.

If you want to home school your kids, I wouldn't dream of telling you not to. You know better than anybody else what is right for them. If the schools in your area aren't up to your standards and you can get them involved in other social activities, then by all means do what you feel is right.
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Who the fuck are you to tell people how they should define success?

It's a subjective matter, everyone defines it differently. Do you think Bill Gates or Warren Buffet "enjoy" life in the same way that you do? Do you think Dave Tate enjoys life in the same way Dave Grohl does?
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Woah, easy there.

You are right. I don't have the right to tell people how to define success.
I made some concrete statements that should have been stated as opinions.

My mistakes aside, I think that if you truly enjoy life, you are a success. Now what it takes to TRULY enjoy life may be up for debate. Money can't buy happiness. Bill gates is a tremendous success, monetarily, and has changed the way we live. He may have succeeded in some aspects of life, but if he doesn't have close, true friends, in my mind he is not a success overall.

The people you mention are not average people. There are 6.6 billion people in the world, and almost none of them will ever be famous or super-exceptionally talented. But there are plenty of people who will succeed in life, despite that.

I think we can all agree that we want our young to grow up to become intelligent, healthy, successful, happy people. We only want what's best for them. And in my mind, that is being surrounded by people who truly care about you, much more so than having large salary.

Don't get me wrong. I firmly believe that a person's intelligence is one of his or her most important traits. But what good is intelligence if you have nobody to share it with?




I've said my peace and would now like to leave this discussion before it becomes heated. If you agree with me great. If not, that's fine too. We're all entitled to our own views and opinions and I have shared mine with you.

Good day to you, sirs.
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I want my son to play on the Oakland Raiders and take them to a Superbowl Win.....

who cares about everything else, meh.

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