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Old 10-30-2009, 12:06 PM   #1 (permalink)

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Ok, I've found there are two ways to break plateus and shake off the doldrums: mixing up your lifts/restructuring your workouts and writing it down as a record.

So here's where I'm going to start. If you guys have suggestions, feel free to post them. I was 115 lb's when I graduated high school and I started lifting in college. But I learned everything I know by reading what others wrote, and asking questions from people of all different backgrounds. I've been lifting for 6 years now. My goal is to compete in NAGA next year as a beginner. I have some background in striking, but I'm learning BJJ now. I don't log my cardio, I just run a lot. I do a mixture of strength, muscular endurance and power/speed lifts. Most of the power lifts are restricted to core and leg stuff.

9/28/09:
Legs:

Warmup on Quads/Glut machines (both sitting leg extensiosn and hamstring curls)

Box Jumps:
4x12x39 inches

Hang Cleans:
10x135
8x135
9x135
6x135 Anyone have tips on improving grip strength? I just recently went up to 135 on this lift. Can you use wrist straps or those Nike power grip things?

Squat on Smith Machine:
12x 45 lb's (plates, don't count the weight of the machine)
12x 60's
9x 70's
6x75's

Hack Squat machine
12x45's
12x50's
12x60's
10x65's

At this point, I'm too gassed to continue, normally I would end on lunges or barbell/dumbell step-ups. Sometimes I'll sub in deadlift for Hack Squats, or this other weird looking machine, I don't know what it's called. It's like this long beam with a padded "rack" (kind of like the thing you do leg lifts and dips on, but the arm pads are on the top and facing down so they rest on your shoulders, instead of your forearms resting on it and supporting your weight). The pivots on the frame and it has two places for weights - one that reduces the starting weight (close to the pivot point) and one that is very far from the pivot point behind you, that adds resistance. You place your feet on an angled platform. I've never seen it before the gym I belong to now, and don't know what it's called.

9/29/09:
Chest, Biceps:
Weight: 137.5

Lateral Barbell Bench:
Warmup
10x 135
10x 150
8x 165 w/ spot on last
6x 175 w/ spot on last
3x 185, spot on last

Inclined Dumbell Bench:
10x 55 lbs
9x 55 lbs
8x 60 lbs
8x 60 lbs
8x 60 lbs

Cable chest flies on Freemotion, slight downward angle:
12x "7"
12x "7"
10x "8"
10x "8"
12x "8"

Standing EZ-Bar Curl - outer grips
Warmup
4x10x 4-10's

Preacher Curls EZ-Bar, inner grips
8x 10's + 5's
10x 10's + 5's
8x 10's + 5's + 2.5's
10x 10's + 5's + 2.5's

Concentration isolation curls w/ dumbell

4x10x25

Cable curls on freemotion machine (not "statue pose curls" but from the arms down position to slightly crossing your body, concentrating on isolating the rear of the bicep)

10x7's
12x7's
10x8's
12x8's



Some other general notes about my workouts. I like to use time manipulation (low rest) super sets and drop sets to continually mix up the resistances I get. Sometimes, I'll do a dropset on the last set, or super set a close grip row with a wide grip on cable rows. Etc. Please leave feedback, it's the most useful thing!
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Old 10-30-2009, 12:23 PM   #2 (permalink)

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Welcome to the logs, I have a couple of questions...
-What is your current body weight? I was 120 out of high school so I am curious.
-Have you read the FAQ, your routine appears to be more body building centered than strength and power.
-Why are your lifts restricted to "core and leg stuff"?
-What are your goals?
-Do you have access to a squat rack? It is preferable to a smith machine.
-What are your current lifts? (Bench/Squat/Deadlift/SOHP).
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Welcome to the logs, I have a couple of questions...
Thanks, hope I can keep adding to the text ... I have a bad habit of not writing stuff down.

-What is your current body weight? I was 120 out of high school so I am curious.

I'm now just around 135-138. I weighed 125 all through college. I added 10+ lbs in the past 8 weeks by changing my diet. All my lifts went up, except those where I move my own body weight.

-Have you read the FAQ, your routine appears to be more body building centered than strength and power.

I have read lots of weight lifiting literature and the like and talked with other avid lifters to gain insight into what they do. I've found that I don't necessarily buy into all the theorizing and here's my reasoning:

Everyone's body is an incredibly dynamic and complex mechanism. And body to body, there's a ton of difference. I believe in the basics: diet, lots of hard work, the right supplements, rest etc. I've restructured my workouts countless times: different combinations of muscles and rest periods and cycles, varying the volume and weight, using more and less time, etc. I've found some basic things that work for me over the years:

1. You have to get the right technique. If this means sacrificing weight and trying to compensate with volume (I know this obviously doesn't work for real strength, but for athletic strength, it can be adequate), then by all means. I don't bent over row 135 lbs, I do a lot less, because I want a good, clean pull. I only do dumbell raises w/ 10 lbs, one because I have a 70" reach standing only 66", and two, I use the volume to build endurance, just like hitting the heavy bag.

2. I'm not looking to gain much more strength, because I'm going to have to keep gaining weight. My philosophy is to develop my core strength groups (chest, lats, core, back, legs, ~traps) and use the secondary muscles (delts, ~traps, small back muscles, gastrocnemius, arms and forearms) to support those lifts. That is why the volume and weight of my lifts is not even across the board.

In the end, I've found all the theorizing about specific structure of how you lift to be ultimately not as important as keeping the motivation to lift hard every day. This might be a case of lifting "dumb" where gains could be easily made by comprisiming structure, but from past experience, they just don't seem to work, at least not for me.

Also, I still have two days in my circuit, shoulders and triceps and then back on Saturday.


-Why are your lifts restricted to "core and leg stuff"?

They aren't. Only my "power" lifts are core and leg. I consider these are lifts like hang cleans, one arm dumbell snatch, medicine ball set-ups, and box jumps where the speed of the rep helps develop nerve and muscle response as well as power, rather than just pure strength.

-What are your goals?

Maintain where I am, eek out small strength gains that I can without gaining weight.

-Do you have access to a squat rack? It is preferable to a smith machine.

Yes, I alternate smith machine squats with normal squats. Squats are very hard on the body, but I prefer them. My squat index starts at 135 then I go up to about 195x10. I don't try to train legs with the intent of lots of strength. Therefore, the smith machine doesn't bother me. I only want leg strenght gains so my power lifts go up, because these are very important to me: hang cleans, power cleans, box jumps etc.

-What are your current lifts? (Bench/Squat/Deadlift/SOHP).[/quote]


Bench: I haven't done in a while, but I can certainly bench over 185, as I can do 185x2-3 at the end of my workouts. I'd guess I can put maybe 195 up.

Squat: Again, I don't do SRmaxes often. I'd guess w/ a 195x10 I could do maybe 230+.

Deadlift: I don't do these very often, I do SLDL's. I did 270 in college when I was 125 during IM weightlifting. I would hope being 10lbs heavier I could do 270 considering I am stronger and heavier now.

SOHP: 125 though this I don't feel comfortable doing this outside of the safety rack. I haven't done it recently.

I tend to measure my strength gains not by single rep maxes but by how my pyramids change in weight. For instance, if I raise my bench press by 10 lbs across every set, I know I've made significant gains (likely up to 15lbs on single rep). If it raises on only the front half or back half, I know I may have made a 5-10lb gain.

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New question, why don't you want to gain weight?
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Most of the power lifts are restricted to core and leg stuff.

9/29/09:
Chest, Biceps:
Weight: 137.5

Lateral Barbell Bench:
Warmup
10x 135
10x 150
8x 165 w/ spot on last
6x 175 w/ spot on last
3x 185, spot on last

Inclined Dumbell Bench:
10x 55 lbs
9x 55 lbs
8x 60 lbs
8x 60 lbs
8x 60 lbs

Cable chest flies on Freemotion, slight downward angle:
12x "7"
12x "7"
10x "8"
10x "8"
12x "8"

Standing EZ-Bar Curl - outer grips
Warmup
4x10x 4-10's

Preacher Curls EZ-Bar, inner grips
8x 10's + 5's
10x 10's + 5's
8x 10's + 5's + 2.5's
10x 10's + 5's + 2.5's

Concentration isolation curls w/ dumbell

4x10x25

Cable curls on freemotion machine (not "statue pose curls" but from the arms down position to slightly crossing your body, concentrating on isolating the rear of the bicep)

10x7's
12x7's
10x8's
12x8's
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2. I'm not looking to gain much more strength, because I'm going to have to keep gaining weight.
Dude, I've lost 30lbs and am stronger now at sub-220 than I was at 250. The reason you aren't gaining strength is because your workouts are shitty.

Lift heavy, don't be afraid to squat, and keep your calories in check. It's not rocket surgery.
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I believe in the basics: diet, lots of hard work, the right supplements, rest etc. I've restructured my workouts countless times: different combinations of muscles and rest periods and cycles, varying the volume and weight, using more and less time, etc. I've found some basic things that work for me over the years:

Doing 4 different types of curls is not "basic". Squat, deadlift, bench, OHP, rows, chins, and dips. Those are the basics.
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Dude, I've lost 30lbs and am stronger now at sub-220 than I was at 250. The reason you aren't gaining strength is because your workouts are shitty.

Lift heavy, don't be afraid to squat, and keep your calories in check. It's not rocket surgery.
Quite frankly, saying you lost 30 lbs and are stronger now doesn't mean or apply much to me. I could lose 10lbs. I would lose strength. There's no way I'd gain strength. If I stay at my current weight (about 135), I might gain some strength, but I doubt I'd make drastic gains that would be analogous to losing 30lbs while simultaneously gaining strength. How tall are you? How much do you do outside of strength training? I'm interested because I can take what people use and apply in a way to achieve what I'm trying to, while having different intentions.

I don't typically run the top ends of the pyramids because I lift a high volume in a short time. I used to lift the peak of the pyramids, with much lower volume. 75-95% capacity with less than 4 reps but setting 3-6 times (depedent on weight, of course). However, that is very poor for muscle endurance and is used for strength only, not athletic competition. These logs I'm posting, I typically complete in 50-60 minutes or less with near perfect form. I'm not trying to brag, I'm just saying I'm a stickler on technique.

Some lifts I *do* lift high weight. Keep in mind I do a lot of other things to, and I can't concentrate on one-dimensional retard strength (no offense, what's what people where I come from refer to it as). I still can run a 15k route in under an hour and swim 3 1.3km legs back to back to back. If I gained a ton of lower body strength, it would just dissipate on the days where I do other things.

I also want my strength to be multidimesional - that is why I started deviating toward strengthening muscles that core lifts underutilize - anterior deltoids, rhomboids and to some extent, traps.

Lastly, I want to keep my speed and agility. Right now I can box jump nearly 40" and have a 34" vert. I have improved my footspeed and agility tremendously. My cardio capacity has also improved, I can run 15k in under 1:00:00 instead of my PR of around 1:18:00 a few years ago. In short, my strength training is a component of my greater regiment as a whole, not the sole component. I aim to increase my strength, but not at the expense of my overall atheletic ability.

Thanks for the comments.

The rest of my workout:

10/30

Shoulders Triceps:

Dumbell Military:

40x8
40x10
45x10
45x10

Seated Military Barbell Press (On days I do this before dumbells, I do add'l weight)

4x10x85

Wide Grip Upright Barbell Rows

4x12x60

Forward Dumbell Raises

4x20x10

Lateral Dumbell Raises

4x15x10

Single Arm Tricep Cable "Reverse Curls"

4x12x25

Narrow Grip Benchpress

12x95
3x12x105

Flat Bench Skull Crushers

4x12x65

Overhead Tricep Cable Rope Extensions

4x12x60




11/01

Back

Medium Grip Pull-Up's

2x12
2x10

Wide Grip Lat Pulldowns

4x10x105

Cable Lat Sweeps

4x12x90

Wide Grip Barbell Bent Over Row

12x70
12x80
12x90
12x90

Single Arm Dumbell Bent Over Row

10x45
12x45
12x45
12x45

Rear Delt Flys (on Pec Deck)

4x12x90

Bent Over Rear Delt Raises

4x12x10




11/02

Legs

Warmup on Quads/Gluts

Box Jumps

12x36"
12x39"
12x39"
12x39"
12x39"

Hang Cleans

10x135
10x135
9x135
10x135

Squats

12x135
10x165
10x175
8x185
6x195

Hack Squat

4x12x90 on machine




11/03

Chest

Weight: 140.8 O.O

Lateral Bench

Warmup

10x135
10x150
6x165
3x175
5x175
3x175 Should have gone up to 185

Incline Dumbell BP

10x45's
10x50's
10x55's
8x60's
3x65

Cable Flies, Lateral

12 x "7"
10 x "8"
12 x "7"
10 x "8"

Biceps


Standing EZ Bar Curls

Warm-up

12x65
12x65
12x65
8x75

Preacher Curls were taken so I had to use the machine

12x45 lb plate
12x50
12x55
12x50

Concentration Isolation Dumbell Curls

4x10x25

Cable Machine Curls w/ EZ Bar

4x10x60

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