I will never surrender - Page 121

Stonebreaker · 09-12-2007, 10:13 AM

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1fmZmKsL5eE

This video, I think.

Pacino's speach from Any Given Sunday is a good one, and it was kind of neat to see it used, just as applicably, in a sport that isn't football. The video footage itself would probably be better appreciated by somone who knew anything about rowing, which I don't.

All I saw was a bunch of people pouring everything they had into a competition, and sometimes winning, and sometimes losing. That sort of thing transcends the sport in which it happens.

graedy · 09-16-2007, 09:24 AM

Yes. Probably you have to have experienced a grueling boatrace at least once to really "understand" it.

I ride the bike or the stationary bike or both every day. For riding my bicycle I need a destination (friends place or something the like). Otherways I get bored. I ride the stationary bike while the others do their weighttraining and do the drillsergeant the rest of the time. It is fun.
Although it would be much more fun if I could actually train myself. But coaching and seeing others hitting PRs is also very statisfying.
Steady state cardio is so boring it isnt even funny. But I found a setting on the stationary bike which makes the cardio quite ok. It is called hazardprogram. This means that every 10 seconds the computers varies the difficulty by hazard.
My trainees all do very well. My best friend closed the COC #2 and is currently doing WS4SB as the bballseason has started. My younger brother who plays in the same bball team as he does is also on the WS4SB. Im excited to see how they will do. Having people on the same program also puts the guys in a competition. At the moment my best friend is about 15-20kg ahead in every mainlift. But he knows my younger brother is coming for him.
Three of the rowers do the coan/philippi DL cycle and the coan benchcycle (these two combine very well). If things go as planned (and so far it looks like it) the strongest of them will hit a 130kg bench and a 180kg DL @80kg bw. NExt we will get his squat up.
My weightlifting 101 and the beginnersplan stroke like a bomb. Where there were the younger guys curling away and just not knowing what to do there is now people chining and lots and lots of frontsquatting everytime you enter the weightroom.
We have 2000 euro to spend for the weightroom and are about to get a powerrack soon along with some other nice stuff like adjustable dumbells up to about 60kg.
Once I am able to train myself again the Weightroomchruch will be the place I always wanted it to be.
Although of course the weightroomboss will always find room for improvement

Feature boy · 09-16-2007, 11:39 AM

Damn, Graedy, right now I'm kinda wishing I could train at your gym

Stonebreaker · 09-16-2007, 11:49 AM

Well, you're on the right continent, Feature, but I still think that'd be a heck of a commute.

Glad to hear you're finding ways to fill your time, Graedy. Yeah, steady cardio is two setps beyond boring, but it's better for you than nothing. Are you healthy enough to try high speed/high resistance intervals on the bike?

oyaji poi · 09-17-2007, 02:08 AM

Sounds like you're doing real well there Graedy. I'd love to walk into a gym full of people doing the Coan deadlift/bench programmes, and see people front squatting. I'd be even more satisfying if I'd lead them there. You should come to Japan and have a talk with the sports teams at my school. I have an extra futon.

graedy · 09-17-2007, 07:38 AM

At the moment I am not fit enough for sprintintervalls. But once I ahve build an aerobic base and my HB has gone up more stuff like tabata will be my cardio of choice.
It was and isnt easy to push my lifting philosphy through.
It was easy to convince the guys from age 15-25 who are by far the majority. But the older guys 40+ are a bit of a problem. They can lift however they want. I dont care. But everytime I meet one of them I have to hear complaints like "people are dropping weights" or "people use chalk" "the room has to be cleaned up more often" "the youngsters do dangerous exercises".
And as those are the guys who decide how the money is spent I have to be diplomatic like: "Yes, I allowed chalk but told them to use it sparringly." or "it happens that weights drop. To avoid damage to the floor we need a powerrack and a liftingplatform." (this is how all of a sudden I got the 2000 euro to spend

) or other diplomatic stuff like "I think its clean enough for a weightroom. If you want it cleaner feel free to use this broomstick over there."
Next on the plan is making room for the powerrack by giving away two crappy multifuntionbenches for free.
And we need to get rid of some of the thousands 2kg weights with a 30mm drill. Why? Because they are getting on my nerves. They will be "replaced" with some 20kg plates

. Thats what we need much more - weight.
1. We dont have enough weight so that 3 stronger guys can squat, bench and deadlift at the same time.
2. The day Lusst comes to town I dont wanna be embarassed by having to say: "Sorry, but we dont have enough plates in this weightroom for you to squat."

So lots of more euros I will have to fight for.

@oyaji poi: I bring the chalk, you bring the ladies.

graedy · 09-19-2007, 07:10 AM

Maybe I will design the strengthtraining for Jan (the rower training for Peking 08) leading up to the olympics.
He will talk to his partner and other trainers. As no one really cares about the lifting his weighttraining is absolute bodybuildinggarbage. And he really feels like his weighttraining runs him down instead of supplementing his rowing. Looking at the plans there is now wonder why - monstervolume, high intensity and going to failure at its best. A bodybuildeon the juice could take this kind of stuff. But not an athlete training 20+ hours a week. And stuff like "benchpress 5x12" for a rower really make me wanna cry.
Rowing is a complicated sport to train for. The olympic race is 2000m, which takes about 5:30-6:30 (or even longer depeding on which boatclass you row in).
Its a realy nasty mixture between a brutally high cardio vascular (your pulse is very close to your max through the whole race) intensity, muscular endurance, lactic acid tolerance and strengthendurance.
Not easy to get the package down.
But lets see what the future brings. If I am in I will step up. MY body is currently disabled but my brain is running. And for exerciseexecutiondemos I can bring one of my other trainees.

- Included some sprints in my daily cycling

Alon · 09-19-2007, 08:42 AM

It's good to see your knowledge going to good use!

Stonebreaker · 09-19-2007, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graedy

Its a realy nasty mixture between a brutally high cardio vascular (your pulse is very close to your max through the whole race) intensity, muscular endurance, lactic acid tolerance and strengthendurance.
Not easy to get the package down.

*scratches his head*

Dynamic-effort 20 rep sets, maybe? Nothing like the infamous 20-rep squat for lactic acid tolerance. Eh. I have no useful input here. Sorry. Any good rowing programs out there that were kind enough to talk about their weight training out on the internet?

Are "bodybuildinggarbage" and "exerciseexecutiondemos" really single words in German?

erco · 09-19-2007, 11:45 AM

I thought you were able to create pretty much any word in German by just lumping smaller words together. I remember seeing a series of 15+ letter words in a German newspaper.