wtf, this is low - Page 3

Iron Blade · 07-02-2008, 12:30 PM

People are shit. If it doesn't concern them then they don't care, even if it someone writhing on the floor dying.

NHB7 · 07-02-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by theocean

I work at a hospital. And we treat people with no insurance better than people with crappy insurance. So dont try to act like im not educated on the topic, ive been seeing it for 6 years. Not an illegal Mexican but a story along the same lines, we had a patient from Africa who hopped on a plane to England because he had an infected foot, they refused him any care in England due to no insurance and not being a national, so whats he do...hop on a plane here to America, that afternoon hes in my lab having every test you could want ran on him, not just foot care, but cardiac tests, blood screenings, cat scans, and on and on...literally 1000s of dollars in tests....How much did he pay....you guessed it 0 dollars

Pardon my original sarcasm. That was my gut response. I'm sure you are educated on the subject, perhaps more so than me. Nonetheless, I have to be skeptical. We can't just buy everything we hear, just like you wouldn't buy some random statisitic I threw out. Anyway, the man you spoke of...He got tested, did he get fixed. Furthermore, you are giving are case studies. I'm sure I can list plenty of case studies where illegal immigrants got turned away. Show me statistics that say we help a higher ratio of illegal immigrants with higher quality care than our citizens and I will be more interested.

Iosephus · 07-02-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by theocean

Its not a racist comment. I have no problem with the Mexican people as a whole. I have a problem with the ones who cross the border illegally and crush our healthcare system. If that is the definition of a racist put my pic next to it in Websters

alright, "unneeded" comment, cuz believe it, not everyone wants each thread to go off on a tangent

NHB7 · 07-02-2008, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MrPissant

20/20 several years ago did a study in NY, Chicago, L.A. about people helping people. They had a producer act like a drunk and simply pass out in the middle of the thousands of people walking to and from work in those cities.

The study revealed something we already knew. Nobody stopped to help.

However....

The study revealed in each city, that when even ONE person stops to help, 2, 3, 4 and more people came to pitch in and help the initial person who tried to help.

It's a group mentality. If an entire group ignores someone in need, everyone does. If one person stops and helps, everyone then starts to help.

It's a puzzling thing in human psychology that nobody seems to h ave a good theory on as to why.

There is some explanation. The bystander effect means that the person feels a diffused repsonsibility. I'm with 100 people and I am only 1/100 responsible for what happens to the drunk guy in the road. However, If I'm in a room alone with a guy that falls over drunk and I think he might be dying, I feel much more responsible if I do nothing. And indeed the studies show that the smaller the group, the more likely help will come.

By the way, if you are ever being attacked and no one is helping, look one person in the eye and say, "You! Help me." That person can no longer feel that he is only 1/100 responsible after that.

machine29 · 07-02-2008, 12:38 PM

These people should be charged!

I had a good friend in High School die from an asthma attack.

He had been hospitalized a month before for almost a week.

So he has one and his family takes him out to the ER. They give him a shot and send him home.

He died that night.

U would've thought they'd check the records and see how horrible he had it and did something else.

mikecello · 07-02-2008, 12:39 PM

I just can't believe they got to her in an hour. That's steller fucking service for hospitals. The Health Care system is festering, this is just the latest thing.

theocean · 07-02-2008, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by NHB7

Pardon my original sarcasm. That was my gut response. I'm sure you are educated on the subject, perhaps more so than me. Nonetheless, I have to be skeptical. We can't just buy everything we hear, just like you wouldn't buy some random statisitic I threw out. Anyway, the man you spoke of...He got tested, did he get fixed. Furthermore, you are giving are case studies. I'm sure I can list plenty of case studies where illegal immigrants got turned away. Show me statistics that say we help a higher ratio of illegal immigrants with higher quality care than our citizens and I will be more interested.

Stats..i will find some shortly, the man in my refernce was treated, foot had to be taken. So not only did he have the numerous tests, but also the surgery, bed, food, rehab, meds, all for the low low cost of your tax dollars. I just think that the affect of healthcare costs and service is always over looked in the immigration discussions.

theocean · 07-02-2008, 12:59 PM

I may have came off as an asshole the way i answered at first however ....

A new study from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) examines the costs of education, health care and incarceration of illegal aliens, and concludes that the costs to Californians is $10.5 billion per year.

In some hospitals, as much as two-thirds of total operating costs are for uncompensated care for illegal aliens

The utilization rate of hospitals and clinics by illegal aliens (29 percent) is more than twice the rate of the overall U.S. population (11 percent).
The utilization rate of hospitals and clinics by illegal aliens (29 percent) is more than twice the rate of the overall U.S. population (11 percent).
25 percent of the uncompensated costs southwest border county hospitals incurred resulted from emergency medical treatment provided to undocumented immigrants

**JGonzo13** · 07-02-2008, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by theocean

Its not a racist comment. I have no problem with the Mexican people as a whole. I have a problem with the ones who cross the border illegally and crush our healthcare system. If that is the definition of a racist put my pic next to it in Websters

Well your wording in the comment was poor as you make it seem as mexicans are the only illegal aliens in the U.S.

theocean · 07-02-2008, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JGonzo13

Well your wording in the comment was poor as you make it seem as mexicans are the only illegal aliens in the U.S.

Fair enough, i didnt mean it as a rasict statement. Its just that ive had so many experiences with that race as an illegal that it dominates my feeling on what an illegal imigrant is these days.