[kreepy6969]

Originally Posted by Jamesbrett

yo pussy i make more money, i have a bigger house than you, my wife is ten times more sexy yours, i dont need to learn to spell or write correctly i got idiots like you to do it for me beacth

well i seriously doubt you make more money than i do "friend" i make 42$ an hr and thats us not canadian. secondly with the level of education you seem to have id say your most likely a fry cook at burger king. thirdly the blow up doll under your bed is not a real woman. i really do hope you'll go back to school so one day you can maybe move out of your parents basement till then i hope your happy with minium wage!

[drstrangelovitz]

Hey, after you guys hammer out that final proof that God doesn't exist could you please tell all those Republicans that their ideas are all wrong. Really worthwhile stuff you all are doing here, honestly, if anyone had bothered to tell people this stuff they would have to believe it based solely on these air tight logical proofs and vague references to the importance of science as the all important element of society. I'm sure these beliefs are all based on ignorance, no need to respond to any legitimate argument in favor of religion, just target those that you think exist and that you find at once both the most important and the easiest to refute. Amazing that this ground breaking philosophy would surface on an MMA forum.

[Crazy Cabbie]

Originally Posted by SmokyMtMan

There are limitations to what science can do, of course! But science has given you the power of electricity, internal combustion engines, flight technology, radio and tv technologies, the entire medical industry, better agriculture and nutrition, literature, manufacturing, the oil and gas industry, rocketry and space sciences, physics, geology, paleontology, and every othter "ology", etc etc etc.

What the fuck has religion ever given me? Except an empty and unproveable philosophy based on human weakness? SCIENCE has given you everything that our current civilization has. EVERYTHING.

In short, science is why humans are where we are, NOT religion! LOL!

When did science make an apple tree.

[fourtyounce48]

Originally Posted by Old_Fogey

For fucks sake, why can't you religious people understand that you are all being conned. It's perfectly simple. All religions, and there are thousands of them, rely on people having FAITH. Not faith in their own abilities or anything like that, but FAITH in something that cannot be proven to exist.

In the sciences and in Law, proof is incumbent on the person making the assertion. i.e. "If you want me to believe something exists that I can't see, hear, touch, taste or smell, then you'd better give me some proof that you are not just making it all up !!!"

But this doesn't apply in a religious context. If you ask a 'believer' to prove that God exists, he will probably say "You prove that he doesn't exist". Here the 'believer' is taking advantage of the logical impossibility of proving a negative. For example, I say to you "Mr MMA fan, there is a miniature Fedor Emelianenko sitting on your shoulder at the moment. He is definitely there, but he exists in a 'higher' dimension which is completely undetectable to any human or animal senses or any methods of modern science. If you do not believe that this mini-Fedor is sitting on your shoulder, please prove to me that he is not there".

This is the basic con that all religious people fall for. And they fall for it because they don't realise that it is a con. They rationalise something like "Well, I can't actually prove that god (or mini-Fedor) DOESN'T exist, so I suppose it's possible that he might actually be real".

It does not occur to them that it is TOTALLY ILLOGICAL AND IMPOSSIBLE to prove the non-existence of something which cannot even be proven to exist in the first place !!!

You can only prove that something DOESN'T exist if you already have a method of proving that it DOES exist !!!

Think about it. If God (or mini-Fedor) DOES exist, but he is completely undetectable by ANY METHODS WHATSOEVER. Then what fucking methods are available to you which will allow you to prove that he DOESN'T exist? There aren't any are there? This is why, in the sciences and in Law, proof is incumbent on the person making the assertion. It would be totally ridiculous for it to be any other way !!!

This leads us back to FAITH, which is the second part of the 'big con'. Basically, the insistence that "YOU MUST HAVE FAITH" which is common in all religions, is a deceptive method which is designed to prevent people 'twigging-on' to the argument I have just given above. They will tell you that "FAITH can move mountains" and that "The truly FAITHFUL will attain a higher place in Heaven" etc, etc. This is all designed to prevent you questioning their ridiculous premise that you should believe in (and WORSHIP) something of which there is no evidence of its existence.

Finally, please realise this, the basis of all religions is the accumulation of POWER and MONEY. They want to control your minds, and they want a share of your hard-earned cash. If you don't believe this, then simply check it out for yourself. Consider the products of religion:- Billy Graham and the "send me your money for salvation crowd", child suicide bombers, countless millions killed in religion-based wars, and numerous other things that I can't be bothered to mention here.

Even if you look at the most passive of religions, you will find the twin elements of POWER AND MONEY accumulation lurking in there somewhere.
Anyway, as I said, if you don't believe me - just check it out for yourself. If anybody can find a LOGICAL fault with anything I have said in this post, I will be very surprised.

Oh, I'm sorry. Religious people use a "HIGHER" form of logic, don't they? Scientific logic, (i.e. The process of non-contradictory identification), is not sufficient to understand the existence of GOD, is it? Perhaps I will need get to grips with the "HIGHER" form of religious logic which is based on BLIND-FAITH, intuition, visions and "feelings" etc.

Well, I've had enough of ranting on now. Religious "true believers" flame away. But don't expect me to reply unless you have something LOGICAL to say.

something exist when something is measured. thats why in science everything has some sort or measurement.

with that being said. can you proof that love exist. you cant see it, touch it, smell it, taste, or hear it. but you can honestly feel it. i can honestly feel god is in my heart.

[chuck#1]

Originally Posted by jsbjjs

Very ignorant post... Love is something created by people, its just a word, you can't prove there even is love because we made it up. It does prove why serial killers kill, it can determine if something is or is not alive....i could go on....

you've just pwned yourself, your correct, we cannot prove that love doesn't exist, but does that mean that it doesn't, probably not for a morbid loser like you, but for people who actually see things as they are, and don't always look to science to solve everything, love does exist, just like god

[Crazy Cabbie]

Originally Posted by Real_Mckenzie

But science doesn't claim to have all the answers. Science is simply a form of investigation that allows us to make sense of the natural world. Science rests on evidence for assertions unlike religion. Faith is belief without evidence something that science NEVER claims. In the abscence of evidence to interpret, science doesn't make an assertion either way.


See the difference now?

So science then would state that faith is a useless emotion or action.

[chuck#1]

Originally Posted by Crazy Cabbie

When did science make an apple tree.

pwned

[stand up wit me]

why do non believers always gotta push there non beliefs on people? whata stupid thing to bring up on a mma forum...shit, i talk religion alot but with my friends not here.

[KravMachado]

Originally Posted by Old_Fogey

For fucks sake, why can't you religious people understand that you are all being conned. It's perfectly simple. All religions, and there are thousands of them, rely on people having FAITH. Not faith in their own abilities or anything like that, but FAITH in something that cannot be proven to exist.

In the sciences and in Law, proof is incumbent on the person making the assertion. i.e. "If you want me to believe something exists that I can't see, hear, touch, taste or smell, then you'd better give me some proof that you are not just making it all up !!!"

But this doesn't apply in a religious context. If you ask a 'believer' to prove that God exists, he will probably say "You prove that he doesn't exist". Here the 'believer' is taking advantage of the logical impossibility of proving a negative. For example, I say to you "Mr MMA fan, there is a miniature Fedor Emelianenko sitting on your shoulder at the moment. He is definitely there, but he exists in a 'higher' dimension which is completely undetectable to any human or animal senses or any methods of modern science. If you do not believe that this mini-Fedor is sitting on your shoulder, please prove to me that he is not there".

This is the basic con that all religious people fall for. And they fall for it because they don't realise that it is a con. They rationalise something like "Well, I can't actually prove that god (or mini-Fedor) DOESN'T exist, so I suppose it's possible that he might actually be real".

It does not occur to them that it is TOTALLY ILLOGICAL AND IMPOSSIBLE to prove the non-existence of something which cannot even be proven to exist in the first place !!!

You can only prove that something DOESN'T exist if you already have a method of proving that it DOES exist !!!

Think about it. If God (or mini-Fedor) DOES exist, but he is completely undetectable by ANY METHODS WHATSOEVER. Then what fucking methods are available to you which will allow you to prove that he DOESN'T exist? There aren't any are there? This is why, in the sciences and in Law, proof is incumbent on the person making the assertion. It would be totally ridiculous for it to be any other way !!!

This leads us back to FAITH, which is the second part of the 'big con'. Basically, the insistence that "YOU MUST HAVE FAITH" which is common in all religions, is a deceptive method which is designed to prevent people 'twigging-on' to the argument I have just given above. They will tell you that "FAITH can move mountains" and that "The truly FAITHFUL will attain a higher place in Heaven" etc, etc. This is all designed to prevent you questioning their ridiculous premise that you should believe in (and WORSHIP) something of which there is no evidence of its existence.

Finally, please realise this, the basis of all religions is the accumulation of POWER and MONEY. They want to control your minds, and they want a share of your hard-earned cash. If you don't believe this, then simply check it out for yourself. Consider the products of religion:- Billy Graham and the "send me your money for salvation crowd", child suicide bombers, countless millions killed in religion-based wars, and numerous other things that I can't be bothered to mention here.

Even if you look at the most passive of religions, you will find the twin elements of POWER AND MONEY accumulation lurking in there somewhere.
Anyway, as I said, if you don't believe me - just check it out for yourself. If anybody can find a LOGICAL fault with anything I have said in this post, I will be very surprised.

Oh, I'm sorry. Religious people use a "HIGHER" form of logic, don't they? Scientific logic, (i.e. The process of non-contradictory identification), is not sufficient to understand the existence of GOD, is it? Perhaps I will need get to grips with the "HIGHER" form of religious logic which is based on BLIND-FAITH, intuition, visions and "feelings" etc.

Well, I've had enough of ranting on now. Religious "true believers" flame away. But don't expect me to reply unless you have something LOGICAL to say.

Well, Diego is 18-0 in MMA with GOd. So GOD seems to be working! And science?

I don't trust any science that can't freakin even find out how old the universe is! And thinks that just because apes stand erect, we MUST HAVE evolved from apes. Most of scientific theory is just as silly as religious theory when you get to the nuts and bolts of it!

[Old_Fogey]

So by your logic then, I can't see, hear, touch, taste, or smell your brain so it doesn't exist right?

Don't you realise that I was using ****phor? Do I really have to explain the use of inferential logic, and the subsequent use of scientific instruments with which you could determine whether my brain existed or not?

Or are you just deliberately being sarcastic because you can't honestly find fault with what I said?