[JSN]

Originally Posted by SlowlyWeRot

From the 20th century? Stephen Hawking, Enrico Fermi, Niels Bohr, JP Sartre, Alan Turing, Edwin Hubble, Francis Crick, James Watson.
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lol sartre? more like benoit.

[SlowlyWeRot]

Originally Posted by JSN

lol sartre? more like benoit.

Yes, Sartre. Quit trying to appear intellectual as you are just a high school idiot who knows very little yet pretends to know much.

[6StingHero]

Originally Posted by Dysentery

YES ... with what science has discovered about the universe you can and should be 100% certain that god does not exist... everything else is ignorant. You really don't even need scientific discoveries to reason that.

I am sorry, I can no longer take you seriously.

[bobbylight]

Originally Posted by Dysentery

I think everyone should be alittle rebellious and outraged by the fact that babies are geting part of their dicks chopped off everyday because of religious ignorance

You do realize that most people are circumsized, and that it really doesn't have much to do with religion. Its the societal norm now. I really hope you are a troll, because otherwise you have to be in high school. How old are you?

Saying someone's "ability to reason is garbage" is saying that they are stupid. There are millions of people that have a better "ability to reason" then you, and are infinitely smarter than you will ever be that believe in God. You are just a 17 year old that thinks you know everything.

[bobbylight]

Originally Posted by SlowlyWeRot

Besides, just because a few intelligent people support theism does not mean theism is correct.

Yes, but it is disproving that their ability to reason is garbage.

[baatar]

For me, here is the bottom line to this meaningless discussion:

Science, by definition, cannot prove or disprove God.

"Real" science is relogated to the realm of physical actions and reactions. Anything outside that realm is not even a topic for discussion. If that's the case, why do we care what scientists say about spiritual beliefs? I certainly don't listen to my pastor about theories of cold fussion--or Dysentery about inter-human relations.

[Breakfast Bar]

Here's an IQ scoring system that doesn't require a test:

1. You think IQ doesn't matter -- you are below average IQ
2. You think IQ mean everything -- you are slightly above average IQ
3. You think IQ gives a distinct tendency towards applicable intelligence, but not always: IQ undetermined

[Dominik]

Anyone who thinks Einstein's belief in some sort of god is good for backing up a theistic outlook doesn't know what they're talking about. Someone else here already touched on this but whenever Einstein used the term 'god' he used it in a poetic way to try and explain the universe.

[baatar]

Although Einstein does have several quotes that seem explicit either way, I think Dominik is right. Einstein was one of those rare individuals who understood that there was a limit to what he knew! The only dogma he seemed to let get in the way of his thinking was the idea of a non-expanding universe. oh well...

[AlphaDelphic]

Hellooooooo.

Originally Posted by AlphaDelphic

Belief in God 'childish,' Jews not chosen people: Einstein letter - Yahoo! Canada News

LONDON (AFP) - Albert Einstein described belief in God as "childish superstition" and said Jews were not the chosen people, in a letter to be sold in London this week, an auctioneer said Tuesday.


The father of relativity, whose previously known views on religion have been more ambivalent and fuelled much discussion, made the comments in response to a philosopher in 1954.


As a Jew himself, Einstein said he had a great affinity with Jewish people but said they "have no different quality for me than all other people".


"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish.


"No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this," he wrote in the letter written on January 3, 1954 to the philosopher Eric Gutkind, cited by The Guardian newspaper.


The German-language letter is being sold Thursday by Bloomsbury Auctions in Mayfair after being in a private collection for more than 50 years, said the auction house's managing director Rupert Powell.


In it, the renowned scientist, who declined an invitation to become Israel's second president, rejected the idea that the Jews are God's chosen people.


"For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions," he said.


"And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people."


And he added: "As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."


Previously the great scientist's comments on religion -- such as "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind" -- have been the subject of much debate, used notably to back up arguments in favour of faith.


Powell said the letter being sold this week gave a clear reflection of Einstein's real thoughts on the subject. "He's fairly unequivocal as to what he's saying. There's no beating about the bush," he told AFP.