[Dysentery]

Originally Posted by bobbylight

But they believed in God, so they MUST be stupid. Completely irrational to believe in God. Some know it all that's in college that has heard some sam harris on youtube is smarter than this guy. OBVIOUSLY!!

I didn't say im smarter and I didn't say theyre stupid I said that their ability to reason is garbage. I can't explain whats wrong with them ... maby these scientists who believe in god can reason perfectly on matters that arent infected by their delusions.

[JSN]

Originally Posted by Dysentery

From what I googled most of the sources say einstein did not believe in a "personal" god whatever that means and he was more of an agnostic. also.. "but it will come as a surprise to some to learn that Einstein clearly identified himself as an atheist and as an agnostic" no clue how u can be both but who cares it doesnt matter the majority ... i think about 85% of scientists are pretty certain there is no such thing as god or the supernatural

he was very complex in his beliefs. for instance, at one point he supported the zionists and then backed away. he helped to shape quantum theory, and then backed away wholeheartedly. he also participated on the atomic bomb but then denounced its use and said he wished he'd had nothing to do with it.

however, he made it clear throughout his life that he believed in God in some concept, just more in a spiritual order like a Tarkovsky than some kind of anthropomorphicized being.

[Dysentery]

Originally Posted by bobbylight

LOL!!! I didn't even read this before I wrote my post above. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, I knew sam harris was behind this. So how old are you? 18? Were you raised in a religious family. Feeling pretty rebellious, are we?

Sam Harris is not behind this harris and tyson were brought up in response to this "That's a nice rant, but your only argument to this point is that believing in god "is really really stupid." You're gonna have to do better than that." I was an atheist before I even knew sam harris or what an atheist was. I think everyone should be alittle rebellious and outraged by the fact that babies are geting part of their dicks chopped off everyday because of religious ignorance.... not to meantion how screwed up earth is because of it. just listen to sam harris.

[Fedor Fan 189]

hey if my dad tied me to a horse id be a douche too

[AlphaDelphic]

Originally Posted by JSN

he was very complex in his beliefs. for instance, at one point he supported the zionists and then backed away. he helped to shape quantum theory, and then backed away wholeheartedly. he also participated on the atomic bomb but then denounced its use and said he wished he'd had nothing to do with it.

however, he made it clear throughout his life that he believed in God in some concept, just more in a spiritual order like a Tarkovsky than some kind of anthropomorphicized being.

Belief in God 'childish,' Jews not chosen people: Einstein letter - Yahoo! Canada News

LONDON (AFP) - Albert Einstein described belief in God as "childish superstition" and said Jews were not the chosen people, in a letter to be sold in London this week, an auctioneer said Tuesday.


The father of relativity, whose previously known views on religion have been more ambivalent and fuelled much discussion, made the comments in response to a philosopher in 1954.


As a Jew himself, Einstein said he had a great affinity with Jewish people but said they "have no different quality for me than all other people".


"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish.


"No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this," he wrote in the letter written on January 3, 1954 to the philosopher Eric Gutkind, cited by The Guardian newspaper.


The German-language letter is being sold Thursday by Bloomsbury Auctions in Mayfair after being in a private collection for more than 50 years, said the auction house's managing director Rupert Powell.


In it, the renowned scientist, who declined an invitation to become Israel's second president, rejected the idea that the Jews are God's chosen people.


"For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions," he said.


"And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people."


And he added: "As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."


Previously the great scientist's comments on religion -- such as "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind" -- have been the subject of much debate, used notably to back up arguments in favour of faith.


Powell said the letter being sold this week gave a clear reflection of Einstein's real thoughts on the subject. "He's fairly unequivocal as to what he's saying. There's no beating about the bush," he told AFP.

[JSN]

he's clearly critiquing judaism there. here are some more quotes:

“I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings.”

Albert Einstein, upon being asked if he believed in God by Rabbi Herbert Goldstein of the Institutional Synagogue, New York, April 24, 1921, published in the New York Times, April 25, 1929; from Einstein: The Life and Times, Ronald W. Clark, New York: World Publishing Co., 1971, p. 413; also cited as a telegram to a Jewish newspaper, 1929, Einstein Archive 33-272, from Alice Calaprice, ed., The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 2000, p. 204.

“In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views.”

Albert Einstein, according to the testimony of Prince Hubertus of Lowenstein; as quoted by Ronald W. Clark, Einstein: The Life and Times, New York: World Publishing Company, 1971, p. 425


Albert Einstein: Thoughts of a Freethinker

[SlowlyWeRot]

Originally Posted by JSN

just to fan the flames a little bit, a very large percentage of the greatest minds of this past century were vocal theists- including planck, einstein, and godel, probably the 3 most important minds.

Einstein was hardly a vocal theist. And Godel isn't among the top three greatest minds in the 20th century, neither is Planck really.

Besides, just because a few intelligent people support theism does not mean theism is correct.

Originally Posted by JSN

he's clearly critiquing judaism there. here are some more quotes:

Albert Einstein, upon being asked if he believed in God by Rabbi Herbert Goldstein of the Institutional Synagogue, New York, April 24, 1921, published in the New York Times, April 25, 1929; from Einstein: The Life and Times, Ronald W. Clark, New York: World Publishing Co., 1971, p. 413; also cited as a telegram to a Jewish newspaper, 1929, Einstein Archive 33-272, from Alice Calaprice, ed., The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 2000, p. 204.

Albert Einstein, according to the testimony of Prince Hubertus of Lowenstein; as quoted by Ronald W. Clark, Einstein: The Life and Times, New York: World Publishing Company, 1971, p. 425

Albert Einstein: Thoughts of a Freethinker

Clearly you do not know what he means by "Spinoza's god". He merely meant that "god" to him is the order and laws of the universe. The second line does not mean he believes in god either, merely that he does not want to be quoted in the context of completely denying god.

Try to understand quotes you post next time, you mental cripple.

[JSN]

Originally Posted by SlowlyWeRot

Einstein was hardly a vocal theist. And Godel isn't among the top three greatest minds in the 20th century, neither is Planck really.

Besides, just because a few intelligent people support theism does not mean theism is correct.

name greater minds than planck and godel, especially godel. this should be funny.

[JSN]

Originally Posted by SlowlyWeRot

Clearly you do not know what he means by "Spinoza's god". He merely meant that "god" to him is the order and laws of the universe. The second line does not mean he believes in god either, merely that he does not want to be quoted in the context of completely denying god.

Try to understand quotes you post next time, you mental cripple.

try reading my next post you fucking retard.

[SlowlyWeRot]

Originally Posted by JSN

name greater minds than planck and godel, especially godel. this should be funny.

From the 20th century? Stephen Hawking, Enrico Fermi, Niels Bohr, JP Sartre, Alan Turing, Edwin Hubble, Francis Crick, James Watson.

Originally Posted by JSN

try reading my next post you fucking retard.

I did, and you are wrong and use Einstein's quotes for false purposes. You've probably never even heard of Spinoza yet you think Einstein is immediately saying he himself is a theist.