[Murdock4]

Originally Posted by explosives

that couldnt have happened for every species of prehistoric man, simply for those that it did happen they suirvived the best and the rest died off. What are the chances of that happening right now?

I don't think your getting my point. The more we rely on technology the less we rely on ourselves. We no longer need muscle to "hunt" our food...we go to the grocery store. We no longer need muscle to build our homes and businesses. We use machines. The leaders of the pack in the animal or pre-modernman world is the strongest and fastest because he has to be to feed his pack. He doesn't have the intelligence to do so otherwise. The leaders of the modern world are stratigic masterminds and the rich and famous. The most attractive people to females now days isan't the guy who can lift 500lbs. It's the man who can provide her with stability. Who can make the most money. Take Leo Dicaprio he's a skinny little Kid who couldn't survive probably 4 days in the wild. But he's more attractive to the ladies than "the crocadile hunter" who could probably survive the rest of his days in the wild if need be. See what i am saying.. that's why i believe we're heading for smaller bodies and muscle tone with bigger head to accomidate larger brains. Because now days strength has nothing to do with survival in the long run. I'm not talking about street fights and arm wrestling.

[explosives]

Originally Posted by Murdock4

I don't think your getting my point. The more we rely on technology the less we rely on ourselves. We no longer need muscle to "hunt" our food...we go to the grocery store. We no longer need muscle to build our homes and businesses. We use machines. The leaders of the pack in the animal or pre-modernman world is the strongest and fastest because he has to be to feed his pack. He doesn't have the intelligence to do so otherwise. The leaders of the modern world are stratigic masterminds and the rich and famous. The most attractive people to females now days isan't the guy who can lift 500lbs. It's the man who can provide her with stability. Who can make the most money. Take Leo Dicaprio he's a skinny little Kid who couldn't survive probably 4 days in the wild. But he's more attractive to the ladies than "the crocadile hunter" who could probably survive the rest of his days in the wild if need be. See what i am saying.. that's why i believe we're heading for smaller bodies and muscle tone with bigger head to accomidate larger brains. Because now days strength has nothing to do with survival in the long run. I'm not talking about street fights and arm wrestling.

and neither are you, even if those things are less needed those genes arent going to disappear into thin air

[Murdock4]

i'm not talking about them just dissapearing i'm talking about "evolution" which takes millions of years. The genes we have for muscles will not dissapear the muscle themselves will just become smaller over time due to not really needing them to survive they become obsolete so to speak. The gene is still there. Just as the muscle in our jaws became smaller and we lost the gorilla looking face because of the smaller jaw muscle. We no longer needed them. The gene is still there... the muscle adapted to our current situation. same could happen with the rest of our bodies. Like 100 yrs ago we didn't sit in front of a computer we were working in a field harvesting crops. We now have machines to harvest our crops.....while we sit in front of our computer not using those muscles... if ur not getting what im saying i don't know how else to explain it.

[Murdock4]

Also the smaller bodies with less muscle would require less food to help eleminate obeisity. Since we are definatly a much less physically active society than we were 100yrs ago. I doubt ur or anyone elses great grandpa was fat. if he was he was probably wealthy or had a thyroid problem.

[RichC123]

We are all going to look like this:

http://www.incrediblehulk.com/modoka.gif

[Eduardo R.]

Murdock, have you heard of differential survival? It is one of the key factors needed for natural selection. Because of technology and society humans no longer really have differential survival because whether you are fit or unfit, smart or dumb you tend to survive aslong as another and reproduce as much as another (unless you are an anomaly like 1000lbs). Natural selection cannot take advantage of a new gene mutation (say smaller muscles in one person) because that gene will most likely not make that person able to reproduce and survive better to the point that he will spread his seed more then a normal person. This is why a lot of scientists think the human being will no longer evolve naturally.

[Y@}{000]

Originally Posted by PT447

asking that quesiton means you have not even a rudimentary grasp of what evolution is....

Asking the question, what are we evolving into means that one does not understand or grasp evolution? besides when did i say I understood or had a perfect grasp on evolution?

From a science perspective the beginning of knowledge is to ask a question is it not?

[Y@}{000]

Originally Posted by explosives

just because we use energy in our bodies does not mean energy=life. Do you even know what energy is? If you think that then why isnt the sun alive or your computer or a light bulb? What the hell is pure energy anyway?

noone really knows what life is to some extent. Consciousness is a form of "life energy" imo. I started this thread to hear other peoples ideas thas all.

[explosives]

Originally Posted by Y@}{000

noone really knows what life is to some extent. Consciousness is a form of "life energy" imo. I started this thread to hear other peoples ideas thas all.

I thought life energy was what you loose by jacking off

[Murdock4]

Originally Posted by Eduardo R.

Murdock, have you heard of differential survival? It is one of the key factors needed for natural selection. Because of technology and society humans no longer really have differential survival because whether you are fit or unfit, smart or dumb you tend to survive aslong as another and reproduce as much as another (unless you are an anomaly like 1000lbs). Natural selection cannot take advantage of a new gene mutation (say smaller muscles in one person) because that gene will most likely not make that person able to reproduce and survive better to the point that he will spread his seed more then a normal person. This is why a lot of scientists think the human being will no longer evolve naturally.

Yes i have and I see your point fully. Again though im thinking in terms of millions of years... If we evolved from the diffrences in Homo erectus to Homo Sapien who's to know for sure we are the last product of our evolution? If not, thats just what i think we may evolve(or maybe not evolve but adapt) into. Then again with our transportation systems and what not, we no longer have genetic isolation and without genetic isolation, there is no further opportunity for speciation among humans.