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Old 07-20-2006, 03:59 PM   #31 (permalink)
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isnt aging also a an effect on your mental health? I mean if we lived forever without slowing down and staying in the same shape, would people just get tired after 500 or so years and commit suicide?
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Old 07-20-2006, 04:03 PM   #32 (permalink)
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In the future creatures will evolve to a point where they become amazingly intelligent and develop a way to 'edit genes'. The reason amazing intellect is needed to edit genes is because of the infinite variables involved. They will use this technology to make them selves superior in every way. After this one smart creature will edit his genes in such a way that he can manipulate the structure of atoms with in his body. Thus leading to organic fission and fusion where someone has an infinite amount of energy. After this creature X will consume all matter in the universe and manipulate it as it wills. This creature would then bare a striking resemblance to god.
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Old 07-20-2006, 04:04 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Not So fast on that.

At a pivotal time in human evolution, around 2.4 million years ago, a muscle gene underwent a disabling alteration. And they say this may have made all the difference, leading to the enlarged brains of the lineage that evolved into modern humans.

For example once we gained more brains we were able to control fire to "soften" meat in order to chew it easier. (try chewing raw meat and tell me it's not tuff) which cause smaller jaw muscle.

Our leg and arm muscle became smaller once we gained the ability for tools and weapons to hunt with. We no longer needed the brute force to tackle prey.

The smarter are generation become the less we'll really need to do for ourselves. To make space for more brain mass then our craniums would become larger but our bodies would weaken due to our reliance on technology and smarts rather than phyisical force to complete difficult taks requiring muscle. You don't go dig a pool with a shovel anymore u dig it with heavy equipment such as a Backhoe. We don't carry block to the top our building to create them we use cranes. see where i'm going? Less physical and more mental smarts to say "How can i make this easier?"
that couldnt have happened for every species of prehistoric man, simply for those that it did happen they suirvived the best and the rest died off. What are the chances of that happening right now?
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Old 07-20-2006, 04:06 PM   #34 (permalink)
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being smart doesnt exactly get you girls either
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Old 07-20-2006, 04:11 PM   #35 (permalink)

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isnt aging also a an effect on your mental health? I mean if we lived forever without slowing down and staying in the same shape, would people just get tired after 500 or so years and commit suicide?
I think if we lived forever things would move at a much slower pace because there would be no inclination to push ones self to accomplish goals because you have all the time in the world. We may stay in a childs mind set for 100yrs and then start to mature mentally. When would a child age to a man? When does a baby start to walk if we lived forever? Why rush it? Would we even "age" ourslves....what would be the point if we did?
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i am certainly no expert. I have seen/read so much about "the aging gene" and if we could find it we could just turn it off. interesting stuff nonetheless.
Aging is not just caused by one gene, it is a combination of many additive genetic and biochemical effects.

The most significant is the decline of telomer structures at the tip of chromosomes. Due to the meccanism of DNA replication one filament always looses a small part of its tip. Luckily there are non coding sequences that are purged in the place of functional information, these sequences are called telomers and they are not replentished in humans, so after a certain number of cell divisions functional DNA material starts getting fucked up = aging.

Some protozoos have an enzyme called telomerase which replentishes them, if we could get that then our body would live significantly longer.

You would still have to think of a way to stop degeneration of the nervous system.

There is no "aging gene", that concept is ridiculously simplified to anybody who knows anything about biology.
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being smart doesnt exactly get you girls either

So, your saying Bill Gates doesn't get girls? He's weak and fugly as balls. But i promise you.. he gets the ladies. Being smart made him rich and....what?...powerful...without strength or good looks.
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When I used to believe in evolution I used to think we were someday going to evolve into something more such as pure energy and we could leave this physical body behind. In my mind at that time I figured we are here so anything is possible so why not this possibility. Or have we evolved as far as we can go. Just wondering what some of you evolutionists think.
asking that quesiton means you have not even a rudimentary grasp of what evolution is....
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So, your saying Bill Gates doesn't get girls? He's weak and fugly as balls. But i promise you.. he gets the ladies. Being smart made him rich and....what?...powerful...without strength or good looks.
only if your rich and how many smart people are there that are not rich?
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Absolutely, if we had a micro machine that could stand by and make sure all the bases in a cell attatched to the proper bases we would be able to keep our cells in perfect working order and if nothing else be in perfect shape until the day we died.

Here is a great article on Nano-machines. Check it out. Here is an excerpt:

"What are Nanomachines?

As the terminology implies, nanomachines are extremely small devices. Their size is measured in nanometers (a nanometer is about 1 billionth of a meter) and they are built from individual atoms. During the 1980's and 1990's, futurist and visionary K. Eric Drexler popularized the potential of nanomachines. For Drexler, the ultimate goal of nanomachine technology is the production of the 'assembler'. The assembler is a nanomachine designed to manipulate matter at the atomic level. It will be built with extremely small 'pincers' (as small as a chain of atoms) which will be used to move atoms from existing molecules into new structures. The idea is that the assembler will be able to rearrange atoms from raw material in order to produce useful items. In theory, one could shovel dirt into a vat and wait patiently for a team of nanomachine assemblers to convert the dirt into an apple, a chair, or even a computer. The machines in the vat would have a molecular schematic of the object to be built encoded in their 'memory'. They would then systematically rearrange the atoms contained in the dirt to produce the desired item.

This is a representation of a nanomachine. The colored balls represent the individual atoms that comprise the machine. (Picture from Twibell (2000), see references.)

Another goal of nanotechnology is to design nanomachines that can make copies of themselves. The thought is that if a machine can rearrange atoms in order to build new materials, it should also be able to build copies of itself. If this goal is achieved, products produced by nanomachines will be extremely inexpensive. This is because the technology (once perfected) will be self-replicating and will not require specific materials, which might be rare and therefore cost money. Arthur C. Clarke has predicted that nanotechnology will herald an end to conventional monetary systems.

If scientists manage to build nanomachines that can rearrange atoms, a world of exciting possibilities will open up. Purpose designed nanomachines could be used to provide breakthrough treatments for many diseases. Medical nanomachines programmed to recognize and disassemble cancerous cells could be injected into the bloodstream of cancer suffers, thus providing a quick and effective treatment for all types of cancer. Nanomachines could be used to repair damaged tissue and bones. They could even be used to strengthen bones and muscle tissue by building molecular support structures by reassembling nearby tissue. With the ability to manipulate human cells at the atomic level, medical science will rapidly devise treatments for most human illnesses. And since nanomachines will be designed to make copies of themselves, these treatments will be inexpensive and available to the entire population.

Food shortages and starvation will be a thing of the past if nanotechnology is perfected. Nanomachines will be able to turn any material into food, and this food could be used to feed millions of people world wide. Again, since the technology is self replicating, food produced by nanomachines will be low cost and available to all.

As well as food, nanomachines will be able to build other items to satisfy the demands of our growing population of consumers. Clothing, houses, cars, televisions, and computers will be readily available at virtually no cost. Furthermore, there will be no concern about the garbage produced by the new consumerist society because nanomachines will convert it all back into new consumable goods.

Environmental problems such as ozone depletion and global warming could be solved with nanotechnology. Swarms of nanomachines could be released into the upper atmosphere. Once there, they could systematically destroy the ozone depleting chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) and build new ozone molecules out of water (H2O) and carbon dioxide (CO2). Ozone (O3) is built out of 3 oxygen atoms, and since water and carbondioxide both contain oxygen, the atmosphere contains a plentiful supply of oxygen atoms. While the ozone construction teams are at work in the upper atmosphere, teams of specialized nanomachines could be employed to destroy the excess CO2 in the lower atmosphere. CO2 is a heat trapping gas, which has been identified as one of the major contributors to global warming. Removing excess CO2 could help halt global warming and bring the planet's ecosystem back into balance. This will benefit all species on Earth."

http://www.def-logic.com/articles/nanomachines.html
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