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Old 02-23-2008, 01:42 PM   #1 (permalink)

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Update: Google sponsors new race to the moon

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/...iness/moon.php

MOUNTAIN VIEW, California: More than three decades after the last Apollo astronauts roamed the lunar surface, disparate universities, open-source engineers and quixotic aerospace start-ups are planning to start their own robotic missions to the Earth's barren cousin.

The return to the moon is part of the Google Lunar X Prize, a competition sponsored by Google with $30 million in prizes for the first two teams to land a robotic rover on the moon and send images and other data back home.

At Google's headquarters here Thursday, 10 teams from five countries announced their intention to participate in the competition.

They include a team led by William Whitaker, a professor at Carnegie Mellon University and a renowned roboticist; an affiliation of four universities and two major aerospace companies in Italy; and one group comprised of a loose association of engineers coordinating their efforts online.

At the event, the new lunar explorers shared some high-minded goals, like reigniting moon exploration and jump-starting an age of space commerce. "This is about developing a new generation of technology that is cheaper, can be used more often and will enable a new wave of explorers," said Peter Diamandis, chairman of the X Prize Foundation.

Addressing the X Prize teams and journalists, Sergey Brin, Google's co-founder, compared his company's support of the competition to other companies' sponsorship of yacht races. "The idea we can help spur the return to the moon and maybe even do it more quickly than some of the national plans is really exciting to me," Brin said.

Google will pay $20 million to the first team that lands on the moon, sends a package of data back to Earth, then travels at least 500 meters and sends another data package. The second team to accomplish the goals will win $5 million. Bonuses are offered for feats like visiting a historic landing site and finding and detecting lunar ice, but the prize money starts to shrink if the mission is not accomplished by 2012.

Whitaker, of Carnegie Mellon, is leading a team that includes the University of Arizona and Raytheon, the military contractor. He said he planned to use kerosene and oxygen to fuel his rocket, and once it is on the moon, to send a rover to the site of the first moon landing in the Sea of Tranquillity. "Our extravaganza will be at Apollo 11," he said.

The overall effort could cost tens of millions of dollars, he said, easily exceeding the size of the prize purse.

Fred Bourgeois, the head of Frednet, the group of engineers who are collaborating online in the manner of open-source software developers, said that his team is building a toaster-size lunar lander that, once on the moon, will unleash a cell phone-size rover. "We think it's a lot cheaper to put a cellphone on the moon than an SUV," Bourgeois said.

NASA has announced plans to return astronauts to the moon as early as 2020. Though robotic missions are easier to achieve, the X Prize competitors still face formidable challenges, not to mention extravagant costs. Generating the rocket thrust to escape Earth's gravity is expensive and risky. Once on the moon, robotic rovers may have to survive temperatures that can drop to 250 degrees below zero.

There was some discord at the event. A video produced by the X Prize Foundation, promoting reasons to revisit the moon, described the mining of silicon, which is abundant in the lunar soil. The video claimed that the material could be used in space to construct solar-powered satellites that would transmit cheap and abundant energy to Earth.

In a question-and-answer session, Harold Rosen, an inventor of the geostationary satellite who is heading his own X Prize team, called that claim "one of the most outrageous ideas I've ever heard." He added: "I can think of about a hundred thousand more efficient ways of getting energy on Earth than that."

The X Prize Foundation is a nonprofit group based in Los Angeles..
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$30 Million is a joke, no idea what they are thinking with this
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$30 Million is a joke, no idea what they are thinking with this
This project will probably cost each team close to $100 million or more, but they should get the funds from sponsers.

It's not about the money they can win, it's about trying and seeing what innovation comes from it.
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id like to see them offer up a $100m prize for getting a man on the moon.
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interesting. if this really goes down, i see a reality show coming from this and people will watch it.
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This project will probably cost each team close to $100 million or more, but they should get the funds from sponsers.

It's not about the money they can win, it's about trying and seeing what innovation comes from it.
If it will cost that much, which I bet is a low estimate, what incentive is the $30 million?

Unless by entering the competition the teams surrender their IP rights which would be a great investment for Google
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If it will cost that much, which I bet is a low estimate, what incentive is the $30 million?

Unless by entering the competition the teams surrender their IP rights which would be a great investment for Google
I guess the #1 incentive would be the accomplishment.

Sponsers will donate money no expecting anything in retun, besides their name on the project.

One team plans to sell the HD video content if they get to the moon.

The technology that comes out of this project could be sold to the private sector or the military.
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I understand why someone would do this, just not why Google would offer such a small prize.

It's like offering $1000 to anyone who beats Chuck Liddell in a fight...the prize is pitiful compared to the task
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I understand why someone would do this, just not why Google would offer such a small prize.

It's like offering $1000 to anyone who beats Chuck Liddell in a fight...the prize is pitiful compared to the task
A bigger price would be a better incentive and it's not like they can't afford it.
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There is nothing inherently expensive about space travel. NASA just spends a lot of money on it.



I would like to see google offer 30 million for a 200 horsepower gas engine that gets 100 miles per gallon.
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