[chardog]

i dont want to rain down the hate parade, but is it possible that the girl made this shit up? hell i've dated a girl that claimed rape by some guy. deeper investigation revealed that some guy hit it and quit it, leaving her very sour. ask yourself, if it was legit, why is he still on the streets?

it's possible that the rape story is made up. op, explain the details please

[AZGnP]

Originally Posted by chardog

i dont want to rain down the hate parade, but is it possible that the girl made this shit up? hell i've dated a girl that claimed rape by some guy. deeper investigation revealed that some guy hit it and quit it, leaving her very sour. ask yourself, if it was legit, why is he still on the streets?

it's possible that the rape story is made up. op, explain the details please

You know what... you would say that.

[Keej613]

Originally Posted by whipyourasstyle

^^^^

Is it wrong that I found "that" scene sort of hot??

That makes me a bad person doesn't it??

Ummm . . . well . . . it *IS* Monica Bellucci after all, but the scene's intent was to show you how violent, degrading and destroying rape is so . . . put it this way: most people can't watch the entire scene and they simply skip through it.

I'm not trying to imply anything because only you know the truth about yourself.

[Keej613]

Originally Posted by The Gem

if she didn't report it then she only has herself to blame for it to still be affecting her. Use that organ sitting inside your freaking skull and think about that for a second. Maybe instead of kicking his ass, you should knock some sense into your "girl". In a civilized society people report crimes when they happen to them.

Uhh . . . even if she had reported it, it's most likely that the events would still psychologically torment her for the rest of her life. So to insinuate that it's her fault and that he should knock some sense into *HER* is disappointing and laughable at the same time. You're lucky there's only a handful of women on Sherdog cause you sure would have made a ton of friends with that statement.

[AZGnP]

Beyond that, a lot of girls don't report shit like date rapes because it's pretty much impossible to prove and it usually ends up with their friends calling bullshit on the accusation.

[Keej613]

To everyone who is seriously suggesting revenge or vigilante justice, three things:

(In no particular order . . . )

1. See Irréversible and then tell me if you're still of the same mind.

2. Contemplate whether the revenge you want to see is truly for the victim or for yourself. Your efforts should be spent on helping the victim. Will laying down some smack help the victim or will it simply alleviate your own feelings of frustrations?

3. Remember that rape isn't always about sex; in many cases it's about control and dominance. Seeking out the assailant brings him back into the victim's life, which is both satisfying to the assailant and destructive to the victim. You'd essentially be giving the assailant what he wants because he would know that he still possesses power and influence over his victim's life. Empowering the victim isn't a question of showing physical dominance over the assailant; it's a question of showing them that they have no power over the victim, their family and their lives.

I understand that this is easier said than done, and I know that my first instinct would be to destroy anyone who tried to hurt anyone I love in such a way, but you have to think of the long-term consequences. If you wipe this guy off the face of the Earth, will the victim spend the rest of her days wondering what she could have / should have done to overcome the incident and its effects? Will the victim spend ther est of her days both emotionally destroyed *and* without one of her emotional and psychological pillars (aka YOU)?

These are all factors to consider if your partner's / the victim's best interest are what you have in mind.

[son_goku]

I don't think you should seek revenge.

1. You just left a public record on Sherdog - not a smart move.

2. Say you beat the living shit out of him, how will that change the rape or her feelings about it?

3. What if you do something terrible and find yourself with a couple of Felonies? If you get convicted that will affect you for the rest of your life... Even if you somehow manage to slide by it will cost you a lot of $$$$$$.

[Barut]

Originally Posted by Keej613

To everyone who is seriously suggesting revenge or vigilante justice, three things:

(In no particular order . . . )

1. See Irréversible and then tell me if you're still of the same mind.

2. Contemplate whether the revenge you want to see is truly for the victim or for yourself. Your efforts should be spent on helping the victim. Will laying down some smack help the victim or will it simply alleviate your own feelings of frustrations?

3. Remember that rape isn't always about sex; in many cases it's about control and dominance. Seeking out the assailant brings him back into the victim's life, which is both satisfying to the assailant and destructive to the victim. You'd essentially be giving the assailant what he wants because he would know that he still possesses power and influence over his victim's life. Empowering the victim isn't a question of showing physical dominance over the assailant; it's a question of showing them that they have no power over the victim, their family and their lives.

I understand that this is easier said than done, and I know that my first instinct would be to destroy anyone who tried to hurt anyone I love in such a way, but you have to think of the long-term consequences. If you wipe this guy off the face of the Earth, will the victim spend the rest of her days wondering what she could have / should have done to overcome the incident and its effects? Will the victim spend ther est of her days both emotionally destroyed *and* without one of her emotional and psychological pillars (aka YOU)?

These are all factors to consider if your partner's / the victim's best interest are what you have in mind.

What's the point of watching Irréversible? Understanding that you might get the wrong guy? Is that it? What if you're sure that you'll get the right guy?

I've been working at the local prosecutor's office this summer and have seen a few guys in court who have been accused of child rape and sodomy. There is video evidence. I can't understand how they make it to trial.

I understand that one's efforts should be primarily targeted at helping the victim recover, but there must be some piece of mind for the victim in knowing that their attacker cannot ever contact them again. Right?

[Keej613]

Originally Posted by Barut

I've been working at the local prosecutor's office this summer and have seen a few guys in court who have been accused of child rape and sodomy. There is video evidence. I can't understand how they make it to trial.

Uhhh . . . that's simply due process, right? The fundamentals of the American justice system? EVERYONE gets a trial. I sure hope you're not a lawyer there! Sheesh!

Originally Posted by Barut

What's the point of watching Irréversible? Understanding that you might get the wrong guy? Is that it? What if you're sure that you'll get the right guy?

Come on, man. We both know that wasn't the moral of the story!

Originally Posted by Barut

I understand that one's efforts should be primarily targeted at helping the victim recover, but there must be some piece of mind for the victim in knowing that their attacker cannot ever contact them again. Right?

Peace of mind would come after knowing the the attacker won't ever have power over the victim, whether that be physical or emotional power (or both). So, in either case, vigilante justice isn't necessarily the solution. Killing the assailant doesn't heal the victim to the point that she is able to live her life without constant fear or without constant torment. Sure, her assailant is out of the picture, but what about other potential assailants? So do I believe that the assailant should be brought to justice? Of course! But vigilante justice isn't the right solution because it banks on the notion that simply removing the assailant from the equation fixes all the problems. The victim still needs a serious amount of counseling, therapy and time to heal. Not to mention that the people who want to deliver the vigilante justice are often sources of strength and support for the victim. So, if they get in trouble for what they did and THEY are no longer part of the picture, the victim can wind up in ever worse emotional or psychological shape as a result.

[Hand_of_God]

Originally Posted by AZGnP

You know what... you would say that.

He's right though. That exact shit happened to a friend of mine...but the chick didn't press charges. She just went around telling everyone she was raped when in fact she willingly had sex with him and even IN FRONT OF PEOPLE. Come to find out later that this chick did the same thing to a couple of other dudes from one of her friends I used to work with.