[YeahBee]

Originally Posted by Ninjutsu Master

i'm sure he does because at my dojo the only bad kids are the ones that don't get beat.

Nope Gazgussler and I have discussed this before

I have yet had a situation that would have gotten better by me beating a child

[Tredogg]

Originally Posted by Hauptstoss

I work at a country club, and all the Pros talk shit about the members behind their backs.

I used to be a golf pro and this one is more true than true. At any club there's a large percentage of the members that are hated by the staff.

[Philosophighter]

Gotta throw some contributions in here after everything I've learned. Starting from the teenage jobs..

Mall retail....Very very easy to steal from. Worked in a major mall in SoCal. Workers were told that they had authority within the store ONLY. Once a thief or shoplifter got outside the store into the general mall, only security could touch them and you just had to wait and watch.

[kvolcom]

Originally Posted by Philosophighter

Gotta throw some contributions in here after everything I've learned. Starting from the teenage jobs..

Mall retail....Very very easy to steal from. Worked in a major mall in SoCal. Workers were told that they had authority within the store ONLY. Once a thief or shoplifter got outside the store into the general mall, only security could touch them and you just had to wait and watch.

really? huh... i woulda thought they could make a citizen's arrest. which is perfectly legal in some (most?) states.

[Art Vandelay]

It really depends on the individual store policy. I have worked at dept stores and their protocol with suspected theft was to:

Get on speaker and say things like "security to sector 2" or "security cameras to juniors" etc. Then they would have a male employee walk around. I would catch young black men and white women stealing jewelry all the time. They would just grab things and go into the bathroom, remove packaging, and pocket. The guys would always be shitting themselves when I'd call them on it, but I couldn't physically touch them so nothing would be done. At the price they were paying me, I wasn't about to defend merch anyway.

Other stores have loss prevention specialists who may or may not tackle your ass and hold you for police.

With theft, just consider:

Most min wage workers hate their jobs and life, and don't care
Unless it's a family bodega, you're not getting any heat from a normal employee or manager
The only reason people get caught is that they are retards, which is why they are stealing in the first place

[Philosophighter]

Originally Posted by kvolcom

really? huh... i woulda thought they could make a citizen's arrest. which is perfectly legal in some (most?) states.

You could block someone from leaving, hollar a bunch to the manager and make a fuss, but no one could apprehend you physically. Mind you this is a mall retail, PacSun, during the holidays.

Another one.....In the big malls, there is a series of hallways/tunnels behind every store. 5-6 stores would be connected by one long one, with plenty of 90* turns in it, with each hallway ending at the mysterious double doors located around the outside perimeter of the malls. These halls are used by delivery people for product drop off and janitors. Summed up, no cameras, and rarely a person in them. We would stash inventory in the halls and have one of our friends just walk down and scoop up what was left over. There is 1 access in the mall itself (more mystery double doors)connecting to the hallway behind the stores, with the final exit being the double doors exiting out to the parking lot or trash area. A friend would either be sitting on those general benches in the main mall, waiting for you to cue them that you dropped off a stash in the hall...The friend would enter whichever double door led to your hallway in the main mall, scoop up your goods in the hallway, jump in a ride waiting outside the final double doors. Ridiculously quick and a lot of loot got moved with no trace.

[kvolcom]

Originally Posted by Philosophighter

You could block someone from leaving, hollar a bunch to the manager and make a fuss, but no one could apprehend you physically. Mind you this is a mall retail, PacSun, during the holidays.

Another one.....In the big malls, there is a series of hallways/tunnels behind every store. 5-6 stores would be connected by one long one, with plenty of 90* turns in it, with each hallway ending at the mysterious double doors located around the outside perimeter of the malls. These halls are used by delivery people for product drop off and janitors. Summed up, no cameras, and rarely a person in them. We would stash inventory in the halls and have one of our friends just walk down and scoop up what was left over. There is 1 access in the mall itself (more mystery double doors)connecting to the hallway behind the stores, with the final exit being the double doors exiting out to the parking lot or trash area. A friend would either be sitting on those general benches in the main mall, waiting for you to cue them that you dropped off a stash in the hall...The friend would enter whichever double door led to your hallway in the main mall, scoop up your goods in the hallway, jump in a ride waiting outside the final double doors. Ridiculously quick and a lot of loot got moved with no trace.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-citizens-arrest.htm
Citizen's arrest means that a private citizen has the right to detain suspected criminals until proper law enforcement personnel can assume custody.

One criteria for a legal citizen's arrest is the immediacy of the crime. The ideal circumstance is to catch the suspected criminal in the very act of committing a crime. A person witnessing a mugging can seize the mugger and hold him until a police officer arrives, for example.

[Philosophighter]

^^
The day of our orientation that very issue was posed. The answer? If you physically try and apprehend someone you will be fired and the company can be possibly sued. Plus, the policy was pretty odd. It was technically not a crime unless they left the store with the merchandise, but once they left the store, it was the "malls" authority, not the store. Plus I was 16 and not giving a shit.

Another one- worked at Hollywood Video. Late fees will almost always be erased if you complain enough. Unless you got a documented track record for fees and excuses, they will erase it rather than have you make a fuss in a line and lose the future business you will bring. Also, the dipshits at the counter ringing you up have the same mentality as servers. Remember their name, let them "keep the change", small shit..and they will hook you up with free candy, rentals, coupons, on and on.

[kvolcom]

Originally Posted by Philosophighter

^^
The day of our orientation that very issue was posed. The answer? If you physically try and apprehend someone you will be fired and the company can be possibly sued. Plus, the policy was pretty odd. It was technically not a crime unless they left the store with the merchandise, but once they left the store, it was the "malls" authority, not the store. Plus I was 16 and not giving a shit.

Another one- worked at Hollywood Video. Late fees will almost always be erased if you complain enough. Unless you got a documented track record for fees and excuses, they will erase it rather than have you make a fuss in a line and lose the future business you will bring. Also, the dipshits at the counter ringing you up have the same mentality as servers. Remember their name, let them "keep the change", small shit..and they will hook you up with free candy, rentals, coupons, on and on.

yeah i can see where the store wouldnt want you doing it but i bet you could just yell out "shoplifter" and someone else would stop him... which is what you said in the first place haha

[tripnastic]

Originally Posted by Philosophighter

^^
Remember their name, let them "keep the change", small shit..and they will hook you up with free candy, rentals, coupons, on and on.

I find this to be effective at ANY business I visit on a regular basis.