[adren@line]

and ill tell you why..

1. Most havent even heard of it.

2. Most who have heard of it, dont understand it.

3. Those who do understand it, have probably never experienced it.

4. And to those who have, they would know that atheism is perfectly compatible with non-dualism, as is the concept of God.

so how can non-dualism be both 100% compatible with God and atheism concurrently?

[Mens Rea]

If most atheists haven't heard of it and it's such a good argument, why don't you explain it in your words or post a link?

What if I said "Christians can't refute the 2nd chromosome haveing been fused" and then didn't explain that chimps have 48 while humans have 26 chromosomes or whatever argument I was building toward?

[Mens Rea]

***humans have 46 chromosomes***

[adren@line]

Originally Posted by Mens Rea

If most atheists haven't heard of it and it's such a good argument, why don't you explain it in your words or post a link?

What if I said "Christians can't refute the 2nd chromosome haveing been fused" and then didn't explain that chimps have 48 while humans have 26 chromosomes or whatever argument I was building toward?

well,

1.the problem is that most atheists base their arguments around Semitic religions and dualistic doctrines.

2. Dualism and these doctrines are not compatible with atheism. at all. Non-dualism is.


Here is a short summary of non-dualism:

Nondualism may be viewed as the belief that dualism or dichotomy are illusory phenomena. Examples of dualisms include self/other, mind/body, male/female, good/evil, active/passive, and many others.

A nondual philosophical or religious perspective or theory maintains that there is no fundamental distinction between mind and matter, or that the entire phenomenological world is an illusion (with reality being described variously as the Void, the Is, Emptiness, the mind of God, Atman or Brahman).

Many traditions (generally originating in Asia) state that the true condition or nature of reality is non-dualistic, and that these dichotomies are either unreal or (at best) inaccurate conveniences. While attitudes towards the experience of duality and self may vary, nondual traditions converge on the view that the ego, or sense of personal being, doer-ship and control, is ultimately said to be an illusion. As such many nondual traditions have significant overlap with mysticism.

[Zarathustra]

Nondualism cannot be refuted because the claims it makes are not falsifiable. However, that doesn't make it any more impressive than any of the other epistemologically self-defeating belief systems out there.

I have to be honest with you these systems are really a dime a dozen and they all make the same similar claims about some kind of profound "experience," "realization," or "epiphany" which is supposed to lend some sort of credence to them in the absence of logical justification (most systems like this would claim that traditional "logic" cannot be applied to them - that's always a bad sign...) Nondualism is no different, a true nondualist would see no difference between true and false, nor comaptible and incompatible - the belief system reduces itself to nothing.

[adren@line]

I have to be honest with you these systems are really a dime a dozen and they all make the same similar claims about some kind of profound "experience," "realization," or "epiphany" which is supposed to lend some sort of credence to them in the absence of logical justification (most systems like this would claim that traditional "logic" cannot be applied to them - that's always a bad sign...)

You are right in stating that non-dualism is an experience.
Its an elevated state of reality that is realized when the mind is completely still.

So in that regard, it neither stems from logic nor emotion.

However, the philosphies that are based off of the realization are logical. Logic has everything to do with explaining the non-dual reality, but it has little to do with experiencing it, so I dont get where you came up with the idea that logic has no place in non-dual philosophy (as philosophy cannot exist without logic).

[Mens Rea]

I believe that there are spiritual truths which can come from meditation or introspection. This has nothing to do with sky gods.

[Ultrashogun]

Why is dualism incompatible with atheism?

[Jay Pan ROKK]

We should not rely on logic too much, it lead us to contradictions everytime we try to use it, this is proved fact ...

It seems that logic does not exist in nature and if it does we dont know which logic it is ...

[Jay Pan ROKK]

Atheism needs Theism, if Theism did not exist Atheism would not either ...