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Old 02-23-2006, 09:32 PM   #1 (permalink)

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PS3 launch, price doubts batter Sony stock

shit, looks like it might be $900 to make each PS3.

Either Sony is going to shave $400 to $500 off each one and take a loss or have a high price of $800 or $900.

Either way they're going to be screwed if they don't get cost down.

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Share price sinks 3.6 percent on predictions of $900-per-console manufacturing cost, spring 2007 US launch; contradictory corporate statements follow.

Across the United States, most Americans were relaxing this Monday, courtesy of the long Presidents' Day holiday weekend. Not so across the Pacific in the corporate offices of Sony. The electronics and entertainment giant saw its stock price sink 3.6 percent, dropping to 5,300 yen ($45) per share. The fall affected the entire Tokyo stock market, with the Nikkei index dropping 1.75 percent to 15,437.93 yen ($130.57).

Monday's drop follows a 2.8 percent decline in Sony stock on Friday, after Wall Street stock-brokerage firm Merrill Lynch published a report skeptical of the company's next-generation console plans. It predicted that the launch of the PlayStation 3 console could be delayed by 6 to 12 months from its current spring 2006 window, resulting in an autumn launch in Japan and a late-2006 or early-2007 launch in the US.

"We wrote last November that Sony’s design choices for the PS3 had resulted in an expensive and difficult-to-manufacture product," read the report, "and we think that we're seeing the consequences of those choices play out now. In particular, we think the problem points are the Sony Cell processor and the Blu-ray drive." Merrill Lynch also cited heat-generation issues with PS3 hardware and the far-from-finished state of most games for the platform as factors.

While other analysts have predicted that the PS3 might not hit North America until Q4 2006 or Q1 2007--which would miss the all-important holiday shopping season--Merrill Lynch's stature made many a trader skittish. The fires of unease were fueled further by another component of the report, which predicted that the manufacturing cost of the console could be much higher than previous estimates of around $500 per unit.

"Our updated analysis indicates that the initial bill of [production] materials for PS3 could approach $900," read the report. The report said that the production cost of a single Cell processor will be $230 at launch, with the Blu-ray drive setting Sony back $350 per unit. However, the $900 price tag presumably includes a $100 optional hard drive, as a breakdown of component costs in the report totals just $795.

If the $900 estimate is correct, that means the PS3 would have to sell for around $775-$800 to maintain a $100-$125 per-unit loss similar to that of Microsoft's Xbox 360. If the $795 estimate is correct, the console could sell for around $699--within the range recently forecast by a group of analysts and developers polled by CNN/Money.

Merrill Lynch expects that PS3 production costs will start falling after 2007, when Sony can shift the Cell chip's manufacture from the complex 90nm process to the more cost-effective 65mn process. Scaling Blu-ray to other devices will also bring down the drive's price. Merrill Lynch predicts that the PS3's production cost will fall to $320 in the three years after its launch, by which time the Cell will cost only $60 per unit and the Blu-ray drive only $100 per unit.

In the wake of the report, Sony issued a series of contradictory statements. In Japan, Sony Computer Entertainment spokesperson Kei Sakaguchi flatly denied that there would be any delay to Bloomberg News and other press outlets, saying, "There isn't any change in our plan to release the console in spring 2006."

However, a Sony Computer Entertainment America spokesperson was more cautious when she spoke with USA Today. "We're aiming for spring, but we haven't announced specific regions," she told the daily broadsheet. "We're waiting for [final PS3 specifications] until the last possible minute, but the launch could be pushed back if they're not decided soon."
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Old 02-23-2006, 10:04 PM   #2 (permalink)

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Theyll never move at 900$ each.
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Old 02-24-2006, 11:24 AM   #3 (permalink)

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no one will buy em
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I wouldn't spend 500 bucks, much less 900
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I think Sony is going to postpone the system for as long as they can, so the PS3 parts get cheaper.

Whatever they do, they're screwed for trying to push their Blu Ray format. They don't need DVDs that hold 40 gigs for this generation of consoles, multi layered DVDs will do the job for a few more years (take into account that most games are around 5 to 6 gigs, if that).

They also think people are going to run out to buy BluRay players and start re-buying their DVD collections. The jump from DVD to BluRay is not as significant as VHS to DVD, so most people won't care.

BluRay is going to end up like Sony's Mini Disc.
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from all the stuff i've been hearing, sony sounds fucked when it comes to the ps3. reminds me of 3DFX's situation a few years ago when nVidia started making better cards.
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Theyll never move at 900$ each.
Even if they sell them at $775-$800 with a slight loss, they won't sell. I'm not sure what Sony was thinking. They had such a stranglehold on the market. I'm guessing that they did not want Microsoft to claim that they have the most powerful machine anymore. There's no denying that the same games looked better on the Xbox than on the PS2.
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This article has already been retracted.

Merryl Lynch put sony's cost at 800 and likely retailing at 400 -500 to compete with the premium x box.
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Merryl Lynch put sony's cost at 800 and likely retailing at 400 -500 to compete with the premium x box.
Even at that price point it's going to lose a lot money. But if the games look a lot better than the X360, it'll sell if it's comparably priced. If it's priced closer to $600, I don't think it will do so well.
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Even at that price point it's going to lose a lot money. But if the games look a lot better than the X360, it'll sell if it's comparably priced. If it's priced closer to $600, I don't think it will do so well.
Yeah depth may be right that no one wants to up grade to the next gen DVD, blue ray or HD DVD, if so the major advantage sony had goes out the window, and the whole system is a priced to high.

If sony has to launch at 600 they better have a product light years ahead, or they are done. The X box is lossing money on the system now too, for both MS and Sony its a question of how much market share can they get and how many titles can they move.
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