Serious Movie Discussion

[rammsteiner]

Originally Posted by HuntersCreed

For real movie fans.
This thread isn't for:
-people that think Transformers was one of the top 20 greatest movies of all time.
-people that think Shia LaBeouf is a great actor.
-people who's only real opinions are that The Goonies, The Usual Suspects, Fight Club, Donnie Darko, Boondock Saints, Pan's Labyriinth, etc. are the greatest films of all time and that's all they can talk about. Though the forementioned films are great.
-people that Johnny Depp, Johnny Depp, Johnny Depp, blah, blah, blah, Johnny Depp.

This thread is for:
-people who know what a produer does.
-people who realize that explosions aren't the only thing that make a good movie.
-people who have seen a few indie films(ifilms) that few members of the general public have seen.
-people who know directors and their styles.
-people who know who one or more of the following are.
--Aaron Eckhardt
--Bruce Campbell
--Vincent DiOnofrio
--Terrence Malick
--Werner Herzog

Yes I'm sure you're gonna weed out everybody. Heard of Google?

[Bullitt68]

Originally Posted by rammsteiner

Yes I'm sure you're gonna weed out everybody. Heard of Google?

People like you, who have nothing constructive to contribute, do pop in every once in a while, but considering this thread is almost thirty pages of intelligent film discussion, I'd say that it's a bona fide success.

Now do you have anything to add to the discussion or is that all you came to say?

[Three Gun Fish]

Originally Posted by Bullitt68

I just looked it up and it's an animated film, so of course I haven't. I'm not trying to be close-minded intentionally; I'm just not at a point where I can appreciate animated films for anything more than cartoons, and I'm not too confident that I'll ever reach that point.

I'll continue to watch the occasional animated film, but I doubt I'll like any very much.

Did you say you felt sorry for someone for not being able to appreciate Westerns? Was that you?

GRAVE OF THE FIREFLIES deals with post-war Japan, revolving around two children -- and not precocious moppets who are actually fully-formed adults in the guise of children -- as they try to survive on their own in an increasingly eroding society.

You think AWAKENINGS is the saddest movie ever, and it very well might be. FIREFLIES is evocative and poignant, and swims much deeper than what one would characterize as a cartoon. While Japanese cinema has turned to shit compared to what it was with Kurosawa, et al, their Anime is often amazing to behold. Such feats of imagination.

Have you seen Miyazaki's work? Satoshi Kon? I dare anyone watch TOKYO GODFATHERS or SPIRITED AWAY/MY NEIGHBOR TOTORO and not come away refreshed and inspired.

[Bullitt68]

Originally Posted by Three Gun Fish

Did you say you felt sorry for someone for not being able to appreciate Westerns? Was that you?

Yes, that was me. I've posted a lot in this thread so I don't remember if that was in here or somewhere else, but I did say that to someone who claimed that they put him to sleep or something along those lines.

Originally Posted by Three Gun Fish

GRAVE OF THE FIREFLIES deals with post-war Japan, revolving around two children -- and not precocious moppets who are actually fully-formed adults in the guise of children -- as they try to survive on their own in an increasingly eroding society.

You think AWAKENINGS is the saddest movie ever, and it very well might be. FIREFLIES is evocative and poignant, and swims much deeper than what one would characterize as a cartoon. While Japanese cinema has turned to shit compared to what it was with Kurosawa, et al, their Anime is often amazing to behold. Such feats of imagination.

I can appreciate the imagination and the creativity of the stories, but I just don't care for the fact that there are no actors, no cinematography, no art/set/costume design, etc. There's just drawings and computer work and voice-acting. It's one thing to work in different genres, but the differences between live-action and animated films are just so large that it's almost two different art forms to me.

I feel like I'm being robbed of a full movie when I watch animated things, and while if I were given the choice I would gladly get rid of that feeling, I can't help it.

I read more about the film and I saw that there was a live-action version done. Was that any good?

Originally Posted by Three Gun Fish

Have you seen Miyazaki's work? Satoshi Kon? I dare anyone watch TOKYO GODFATHERS or SPIRITED AWAY/MY NEIGHBOR TOTORO and not come away refreshed and inspired.

More animated films, more no's.

[Three Gun Fish]

Originally Posted by Bullitt68

I can appreciate the imagination and the creativity of the stories, but I just don't care for the fact that there are no actors, no cinematography, no art/set/costume design, etc. There's just drawings and computer work and voice-acting.

I feel like I'm being robbed of a full movie when I watch animated things, and while if I were given the choice I would gladly get rid of that feeling, I can't help it.

Hey, that's too bad. Not even Pixar's stuff gets you going?

You're really missing out.

I read more about the film and I saw that there was a live-action version done. Was that any good?

I did not see it.

[Bullitt68]

Originally Posted by Three Gun Fish

Hey, that's too bad. Not even Pixar's stuff gets you going?

You're really missing out.

Way too childish for me. Toy Story and Finding Nemo were okay, but nothing more.

Originally Posted by Three Gun Fish

I did not see it.

From Wiki:

NTV in Japan produced a live-action version of Grave of the Fireflies, in commemoration of the 60th anniversary of the end of World War II. The movie aired on November 1, 2005. Like the anime, the live-action version of Grave of the Fireflies focuses on two siblings struggling to survive the final days of the war in Kobe, Japan. Unlike the animated version, it tells the story from the point of view of their cousin and deals with the issue of how the war-time environment could change a kind lady to a cold-blooded demon. It stars Japanese celebrity and actress Nanako Matsushima as the aunt. The movie is approximately 2 hours and 28 minutes long.

If I were to watch it, the live-action film would be the one I'd be more inclined to see. Both variations on the story sound intriguing, though.

[blackthorne]

I think one of the my main beefs with anime is that they try to capture significant, thoughtful, weighty themes with a 'childish' medium. It's a mixture that makes them interesting, but for me, never engaging the way a great actor can capture the emotions of the characters, or the way a director can model its events.

It's also the reason I don't nor will I ever read comic books. Sure you can do more with animation, especially in terms of scale, but it's the people that inhabit the story that should be important, and anime eliminates that factor in ways that simply can't be replicated by a good performance from a good actor.

Plus a lot of the anime I've seen- Perfect Blue, Paprika, Evangelion, Akira- is just way too hamfisted, and only works if I'm stoned really. Although I actually did like Perfect Blue. But that's because the story was engaging, original, and totally fucked up- it had nothing to do with the characters. A live action film would have made it so much better though.

[Three Gun Fish]

Hell, IRON GIANT is my number two film of all time! FILM!

ALL STAR SUPERMAN by Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely is one of the finest stories ever told!!

[HuntersCreed]

Originally Posted by machine29

What really pisses me off is how because of Pirates Of The caribbean, u have all these people who claim Johnny Depp as their favorite actor.

he is my favorite actor but I accepted those movies for what they were.

My fav movies of his are Donnie Brasco,Ninth Gate, Blow,Ed Wood, Benny and Joon,Crybaby,

I feel he is the most diverse actor that can take on and excel in any role regardless. he can play the straight character excellently, the biopic character great and the oddball weird guy.

when u watch him, its hard to believe, almost impossible to see that Donnie Brasco is jack sparrow, tom Hanson is Sweeney Todd,his character in Gilbert Grape is Willy Wonka. the dude from Nick of Time is Edward Scissorhands.

he never plays the same guy twice and that is very very very rare.

I'll be the first to say that just because I consider myself a serious movie fan that doesn't mean I discount anything that comes out of Hollywood. Depp is a fine actor. I think he was great in the POTC trilogy. I personally favor him in Sweeny Todd above all. He's got it all. I can't say that he's my favorite. He hasn't produced many movies I didn't like. The only Depp movie that I can think of that I didn't like was Secret Window(3/10).

Originally Posted by Bullitt68

People like you, who have nothing constructive to contribute, do pop in every once in a while, but considering this thread is almost thirty pages of intelligent film discussion, I'd say that it's a bona fide success.

Now do you have anything to add to the discussion or is that all you came to say?

I think that's all he came to say.

[Lagrange]

Originally Posted by Three Gun Fish

Hell, IRON GIANT is my number two film of all time! FILM!

ALL STAR SUPERMAN by Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely is one of the finest stories ever told!!

Iron Giant was funny and moving.