Serious Movie Discussion

[Valiss]

Charlie and the Chocolate factory scare me.

[thethirddiaz]

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is so fucking cool to me. The first time I saw it was on AMC much more movie, and the way they incroporated Shakespearean quotes among other things was very awesome. Remake left those things out sadly.

Originally Posted by Bullitt68

IMO, there are two men whose films should never be remade: Stanley Kubrick and Alfred Hitchcock. You just don't fuck with that kind of genius.

I love Clockwork, but I recently watched 2001 and that movie bores then is just confusing as hell. I appreciate what Kubrick was trying to do, but I will never watch that movie again.

[X The Dude X]

Originally Posted by Bullitt68

I actually checked out Psycho from Blockbuster once and they had mixed up the tapes (the glory days of VHS ) and put the 1998 version in the 1960 box and vice versa. I hadn't seen the remake, so I watched it and from what I remember it was pretty stupid. IIRC, it was a shot-by-shot remake, but even so, Anne Heche and Vince Vaughn. . .it's just not the same.

IMO, there are two men whose films should never be remade: Stanley Kubrick and Alfred Hitchcock. You just don't fuck with that kind of genius.

The remake wasn't great by any means. But at least Van Sant didn't try changing up everything and stayed fairly faithful with the shot-for-shot. Except that fwapping scene with Vince is looking in on Anne in the bathroom, where the hell did that idea come from?

And I agree, no one should try and remake any Hitchcock or Kubrick...EVER. I know I got some slack for mentioning wanting to remake Reservoir Dogs earlier in the thread, but I'd never dream of touching a Kubrick or Hitchcock work.

Originally Posted by Bullitt68

A like-minded moviegoer

I think we're in the minority on this one, but I stand by what I said. And that prequel or whatever they did a few years back, I was bored one night and watched it, that was so damn awful!

Originally Posted by Bullitt68

Do you squeal like this guy?

YouTube - Contrast Shower (Recovery) 15s/45sx4 (Got the vid from S&P)

lol, no I don't quite squeal like that, but it does irk me when I feel something touch my foot when I'm in the water. I've gotten over it some, had to when I started getting into surfing. But still, I'm very cautious in the water because of that damn classic movie that scared the crap out of me as a kid.

[Volund]

Anyone see "Way Of the Gun" with Benicio Del Toro? One of my top 5 favorite movies, but hardly anyone has seen it.

I only came across it by downloading it on accident.

[GoForkYourself]

for an awesome analysis of 2001 (the best i've seen so far) and specifically the meaning of the monolith:

(part 1)
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(part 2)
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i don't know how many people have seen his reviews and analyses before, but they're great stuff.

[Bullitt68]

Originally Posted by thethirddiaz

I love Clockwork, but I recently watched 2001 and that movie bores then is just confusing as hell. I appreciate what Kubrick was trying to do, but I will never watch that movie again.

2001 is a very polarizing film. Some people love it and some people hate it. For me, I was initially put off by the drawn-out ape introduction, but I loved the rest of the movie, and now, I just plain love everything about it.

Masterful cinematography (a Kubrick hallmark), unbelievable SFX (remember: we hadn't even been to the moon, yet), and a very creepy villain (HAL 9000 is so haunting).

With a lot of people, it takes time and repeated viewings to warm up to the film, while with others, they like it right away, and then with some people, they just never like it.

You'll find out what category you fall into in subsequent years. As a huge fan of both Kubrick and 2001, I hope you'll fall into the second category.

Originally Posted by X The Dude X

The remake wasn't great by any means. But at least Van Sant didn't try changing up everything and stayed fairly faithful with the shot-for-shot. Except that fwapping scene with Vince is looking in on Anne in the bathroom, where the hell did that idea come from?

I agree that it was a lesser of two evils, but it just felt superfluous, especially considering the film/filmmaker.

As for the masturbation sequence: In 1960, the peeping alone was quite shocking. Could you imagine what would've happened if Anthony Perkins started whacking it? The censors were pissed enough at Hitchcock because there's like a split-second where you can see nipple in the shower scene. They would've NEVER been able to get that into the original film, so while it is merely implied in the original, Gus Van Sant, having the fortune of making the film in a time where something like masturbation is more accepted, for lack of a better word, decided to add it.

Originally Posted by X The Dude X

And I agree, no one should try and remake any Hitchcock or Kubrick...EVER. I know I got some slack for mentioning wanting to remake Reservoir Dogs earlier in the thread, but I'd never dream of touching a Kubrick or Hitchcock work.

Well that was just my opinion regarding Reservoir Dogs. There was agreement with your opinion, so you're not alone. I just feel it's fine the way it is and that any further tampering would just mess up what is already destined to be a classic film, already [rightfully] considered a modern classic.

Kubrick and Hitchcock, though, you just shouldn't go anywhere near it. I couldn't imagine a remake of Dr. Strangelove or A Clockwork Orange.

The Shining was redone, as was Lolita, and both are VASTLY inferior to Kubrick's versions, IMO, and with Hitchcock, not only is he a master visionary. . .LOOK AT HIS CASTS! How the hell are you going to replace Robert Donat, Peter Lorre, Laurence Olivier, Gregory Peck, Ingrid Bergman, Grace Kelly, James Stewart, Cary Grant, etc.?

They should be off-limits to everybody.

[thethirddiaz]

Thanks for posting that review. I already had respect for the quality of the movie, but that was very interesting.

About Way of the Gun, The opening scene was the only part of the movie I liked.

[X The Dude X]

Originally Posted by Bullitt68

I agree that it was a lesser of two evils, but it just felt superfluous, especially considering the film/filmmaker.

As for the masturbation sequence: In 1960, the peeping alone was quite shocking. Could you imagine what would've happened if Anthony Perkins started whacking it? The censors were pissed enough at Hitchcock because there's like a split-second where you can see nipple in the shower scene. They would've NEVER been able to get that into the original film, so while it is merely implied in the original, Gus Van Sant, having the fortune of making the film in a time where something like masturbation is more accepted, for lack of a better word, decided to add it.

That's true, back in 1960 had Perkins starting whacking it, that would've caused a huge uproar! And even though the remake actually showed the knife going into flesh, I still prefer the original's stabbing scene for some reason, it just lets you fill in the pieces more I suppose.

Originally Posted by Bullitt68

Well that was just my opinion regarding Reservoir Dogs. There was agreement with your opinion, so you're not alone. I just feel it's fine the way it is and that any further tampering would just mess up what is already destined to be a classic film, already [rightfully] considered a modern classic.

Kubrick and Hitchcock, though, you just shouldn't go anywhere near it. I couldn't imagine a remake of Dr. Strangelove or A Clockwork Orange.

The Shining was redone, as was Lolita, and both are VASTLY inferior to Kubrick's versions, IMO, and with Hitchcock, not only is he a master visionary. . .LOOK AT HIS CASTS! How the hell are you going to replace Robert Donat, Peter Lorre, Laurence Olivier, Gregory Peck, Ingrid Bergman, Grace Kelly, James Stewart, Cary Grant, etc.?

They should be off-limits to everybody.

I've had plenty of friends give me shit for talking about wanting to remake RD. So many people say it's great the way it is, which I'll agree that it is. And I'm not big into remaking flicks, but if you are going to go that route, might as well remake a really good/classic flick like that one. And not do it shot-for-shot, add what you feel would make it better or more complete.

I forgot that they remade The Shining. Replaced Jack with Gary Sinese, WTF? People said it followed the book more closely, but I could give a shit, Kubrick's The Shining is a rare example of when the film outshines the book IMO. Never saw the remake for Lolita because I knew they'd screw it up. And if the day comes when sometime attempts to remake A Clockwork Orange, that'll be a sad day. I've heard talk of doing it in the past too since Kubrick's version doesn't include the last chapter from the novel. But yet again, I like his film better than the book.

[gogoGomi]

jacobs ladder, i enjoyed.
Reminds me of serpent and the rainbow, and Angelheart an obscure little film.
Didn't really care for Event horizon despite being a long time horror film fan and black hole geek. I thought In the mouth of madness was better.

Psycho and Shining are both great films also.

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by Bullitt68

Absolutely. I remember watching that when it premiered on HBO, and right after that opening scene, I knew I was going to get freaked out for the rest of the movie.

That scene where they're going over the transmission from the previous mission was definitely the scene that got me the worst. That shot where he's holding out one eyeball in each hand. . .

That whole scene is still etched in my brain.