[Oblivian]

You "took over" the business from a previous owner? So did you buy him out? Do you have full ownership in this company? Or are you speaking from just a management position? I find it interesting that such a family oriented business would just sell to an outsider like that but keep the family employees.
Again, do you have supervisors above him or are you directly over him? Basically, is it your job to fire him or someone below yourself's job?
Like someone else said, you do sound like you have a personal dilemna with him. Is there a way to just warn him? Dock his pay? Suspension?
If you own the company and wrote the policies, why do you need to ask? If you own a company, why are you not talking to your company attorney? Do you have an HR department?
Again, this is a complex issue that sounds more and more fishy as you go on.

[Benzine87]

Explain to the relative about how its going down, then fire the employee. Make it clear to the relative that youre only firing him, but that you could fuck him up a lot worse with his liscence if you wanted to

The relative will be glad of the heads up, and the employee gets whats coming to him.

Everyone wins

[w0cyru01]

Holds a professional license? Is he an engineer? What is the field/line of work?

[Richard Emling]

the only opation is to bury him in the desert

[oldshadow]

Call him in for a talk and tell him about the evidence you have (but maybe not all of it). Then tell him you don’t want to hurt his career and that he should quit so it will not look bad. This way it looks like you are tying not to hurt him. If you are contacted by a future employer of his just say he was an “OK” worker and nothing more. This is the easy way out.
Otherwise just tell him you know about the shit he is pulling and fire him. Have a witness with you in the office when you fire him and let the chips fall where they may..

[ThRiLl]

Jack Welch (GE) always argued that there are four types of employees.

1. Competent employees with good attitudes (i.e. buy into the corporate culture, team players).

2. Incompetent employees with good attitudes.

3. Incompetent employees with bad attitudes.

4. Competent employees with bad attitudes.


Type 1 are the life blood of a company. Type 2 should be kept and given training to improve their performance. Type 3 should be fired immediately.

Type 4 is the tough situation. This is where a manager really has to use his judgment.

Is your guy a type 3 or 4? Sounds pretty clear that he is type 3. If he is type 3 your answer is easy, he definately should go. At the end of every year you should evaluate all your employees and always fire all #3's. I can't remember the number but I think Welch fired about 10% of his entire workforce every year.

If his relative has a problem then replace them too.

This is business advice, not legal advice. Talk to a lawyer about how to get rid of them.

[J-Fight]

You must do business in a real liberal state. I do business in a conservative state (NH) and a liberal state (MA).

In NH, you can fire anyone for any reason.. there is no recourse; in MA it's the exact opposite.

I think it's a little weird that you're asking for advice on Mayberry, personally... I mean, what are the details? What state, CA? CA is kinda liberal with employment practices, I imagine..

take Zankou's advice and get a lawyer. I'd never get a lawyer... most of my business is in NH and there is nothing to worry about.

War Libertarians!

[victorygrappler]

A tad more details are necessary.

Are you the owner? or do you just work in HR, how big is the company?

But yeah, i'd probably get a couple of replacements lined up w/ interviews, then fire them. woot.

[Oblivian]

Originally Posted by oldshadow

Call him in for a talk and tell him about the evidence you have (but maybe not all of it). Then tell him you don’t want to hurt his career and that he should quit so it will not look bad. This way it looks like you are tying not to hurt him. If you are contacted by a future employer of his just say he was an “OK” worker and nothing more. This is the easy way out.
Otherwise just tell him you know about the shit he is pulling and fire him. Have a witness with you in the office when you fire him and let the chips fall where they may..

If you ever work for a big company or work in HR, you'll quickly find out that you don't disclose even that much information. Typically, you will be advised to only give the dates the employee worked. You don't have to give any information beyond that.

[Virtue]

are you really a Psychiatric Technician?