[AMBUSH]

Read a few books basicly made me more confuzed! Be confident that what it is...

[Epic Poster]

I hope English is your second language Ambush.

[2om30]

Attraction is not a choice..

[AMBUSH]

Originally Posted by Epic Poster

I hope English is your second language Ambush.

I'm FRENCH....we we

[Epic Poster]

I'm FRENCH....we we

Lol, thats good. I understood what you were saying, i just had to reread it a few times.

[stu3ufc]

Originally Posted by Darwinist

If you have no luck with women by being yourself, your solution is taking a long hard look at yourself and what it is about you that makes you unattractive, mentally, physically and emotionally. Not buying some idiotic instruction manual with "techniques" to mask you inadequacies. Much greater success lies in actually tackling the roots of your problems head on - not just running through a set of mind control techniques.

I´ve had my share of problems with women, and I sure know that it feels like shit. But I´ve also know many, many guys who are excellent at picking up girls by using methods similar to those of the PUA's and guess what? They are just as miserable as those of us who struggle with the laides. In fact, often times more so. Picking up girls seems like just the thing to cheer you up when you aren't getting any, but it's a red herring - it won't make you feel any better about yourself.

Fix the cause, not the symptoms.



There's nothing wrong with that per se. What is wrong is the approach these PUA's take. Their success is transitory, fake and in the long-term bad for your mental health. It doesn't matter if the mask you construct for yourself is shiny, attractive and effective at getting what you want in the short term - just wearing a mask is going to fuck you up royally in the long term. It's simply not a healthy way to live your life. Read Neil Strauss's account of becoming a PUA and you´ll see where getting into this lifestyle leads to in the end. Don't trust the hype from guys like Mystery - he makes a living selling a product, of course he's going to tell you it's awesome.



Whenever you say or do something you for the express purpose of modifying another persons behavior to do something that person would otherwise not want to do and mask your intentions, you are being insincere and a con. If you want to persuade someone, be up front about it.

darwinist dont hate the player hate the game Hate this world I was put on--- we are all social robots!!!!!

I like PU ---I dont have any mental health issues, i just want greater success and quality women in my life--- and i wont get tht if i dont approach any girls --and PU helps you to do this--

but I do hate the player type guys, who do PU for all the wrong reasons

[crooked]

there is an episode on Dr. Phil about Pick Up. look it up online. Ross Jeffries is a weirdo

[tom sumter]

"Pick-up artists" seem cheesy and fake. That's not who I want to be, even if some of them lay more chicks in one month than I did in my college career. The ends don't always justify the means, particularly if you have to learn a routine and act in ways that, to me, come across as awkward and insincere.

Also, I wonder how many people suffer from information overload from all the information they learn from these gurus. I would think eventually you are liable to outthink your self to the point where your natural instincts of perceiving chemistry are dulled. That was my thought as I read "The Game" (an interesting read, nonetheless).

I'm married now and the PUA craze did not exist when I was single. I never had a routine, a book, or a guru's teachings to follow. I was no ladies man, but I had my share of fun, and it all came from "being myself" and the ability to recognize chemistry and then go from there.

[stu3ufc]

Originally Posted by crooked

there is an episode on Dr. Phil about Pick Up. look it up online. Ross Jeffries is a weirdo

i had to look it up cos ive never seen it before--

sharing it with you

YouTube - Savoy on Dr Phil Part-1

YouTube - Savoy on Dr Phil Part-2

[Jeff Clavelle]

Originally Posted by hitmenow

David DeAngelo is really awesome to listen to. If you can, try to download some of his stuff.

he is? How much has it improved your success with women?


edit: i know this person in real life... kind of calling him out lol