[GermanBJJ]

Originally Posted by Mithra

My opinion-

It is no surprise that if you put so much effort into something that you will get good at it, the question is whether it is worth the time and whether you ant to get "good" at it.

I also find some of it vaguely sociopathic, which may or may not be a bad thing.

I think PUAs walk a fine line. On one hand, learning how to behave and interact in tense, social situations (particularly with women) can be valuable for a good deal of people. I think, in this sense, it is no different than working for a large company that debriefs you before a big meeting or lunch with important clients or executive (don't say this, dress like this, be sure to mention this, etc.)

But my problem with some PUAs (not all) is that they game the system so much that you are basically no better than a fraud or scam artist. For example, how many of these PUAs would admit that they are using PUA techniques if a woman asked them to their face? Not many.

I think that being more social and being more fun is a great way to play the field in an attempt to find the person that is right for you. That's what dating is all about. However, I think developing a fake persona and system of tricks to get women into bed is *not* what dating is all about.

[stu3ufc]

Originally Posted by GermanBJJ

I think PUAs walk a fine line. On one hand, learning how to behave and interact in tense, social situations (particularly with women) can be valuable for a good deal of people. I think, in this sense, it is no different than working for a large company that debriefs you before a big meeting or lunch with important clients or executive (don't say this, dress like this, be sure to mention this, etc.)

But my problem with some PUAs (not all) is that they game the system so much that you are basically no better than a fraud or scam artist. For example, how many of these PUAs would admit that they are using PUA techniques if a woman asked them to their face? Not many.

I think that being more social and being more fun is a great way to play the field in an attempt to find the person that is right for you. That's what dating is all about. However, I think developing a fake persona and system of tricks to get women into bed is *not* what dating is all about.

in response to this i agree--- but i think people use routines and stuff at the beginning to help them "fake it till they make it" after that a lot of PUA's develop natural game and do away with canned routines.

oh and its not just about "tricking" women into bed, its more than that-- even though there are some player type guys who use PUA skills to fck around women, which i don't agree with

[shiftyly]

my question for all you "PUA"s is how can you hold up in a relationship once the chick finds out that the guy at the bar was just a persona

[shiftyly]

my question for all you "PUA"s is how can you hold up in a relationship once the chick finds out that the guy at the bar was just a persona

[stu3ufc]

Originally Posted by shiftyly

my question for all you "PUA"s is how can you hold up in a relationship once the chick finds out that the guy at the bar was just a persona

why does everyone think that having skills mean that you become someone totally different


being congruent at all times is important--the girl will see if ur not doing tht

[Epic Poster]

my question for all you "PUA"s is how can you hold up in a relationship once the chick finds out that the guy at the bar was just a persona

Because if it's done right it's not just a persona.

[StevieSparkZ]

Originally Posted by GermanBJJ

I think PUAs walk a fine line. On one hand, learning how to behave and interact in tense, social situations (particularly with women) can be valuable for a good deal of people. I think, in this sense, it is no different than working for a large company that debriefs you before a big meeting or lunch with important clients or executive (don't say this, dress like this, be sure to mention this, etc.)

But my problem with some PUAs (not all) is that they game the system so much that you are basically no better than a fraud or scam artist. For example, how many of these PUAs would admit that they are using PUA techniques if a woman asked them to their face? Not many.

I think that being more social and being more fun is a great way to play the field in an attempt to find the person that is right for you. That's what dating is all about. However, I think developing a fake persona and system of tricks to get women into bed is *not* what dating is all about.

That's a good point GermanBJJ, but I feel that "PUA Techniques" and "PUA" in general are so misinterpreted. It won't totally change who you are, the inner game is always gonna be there. The majority of the guys who go to the PUA thing is what you'd expect. Neil Strauss said it was 70% of the computer nerds, 25 year old virgin types. I mean what else is there to help these guys?

People will give them advice like try to be yourself, but if you aren't gettin anywhere and are terrible with women. How does being yourself help you at all? So this is something that prevents them from sulking at home while their peers are out having fun. I mean afterall, it's proactive and it's a lot better than just sittin there and feeling sorry for yourself right?

I don't think MOST guys become manipulative as a result of being into the game. The game itself has been around way before Neil Strauss and David DeAngelo went mainstream. It just wasn't given a name. Men have always seeked out to seduce and pickup women. It's just now it has a name. You won't become manipulative if it's not congruent with who you are in the first place.

[kakashi]

there has been several threads about this before and germanbjj has always been a hater

yeah, those pua followers try to improve themselves and are being proactive about their life, that's so lame and fake ! boohoo !

[Nodecaf]

I cant believe that some people think its unfair and manipulating towards women.

Women are the ones with the totally and 100% advantage in the "game", even against PUAs.

[stu3ufc]

Originally Posted by Nodecaf

I cant believe that some people think its unfair and manipulating towards women.

Women are the ones with the totally and 100% advantage in the "game", even against PUAs.

women are the biggest manipulators lol