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Originally Posted by PEB
Hey you want to get smart with me do you understand what multi-threaded programming is or do you also understand that Intel is developing CPU's with 8 cores. Why would they be developing such chips if there was no need for it. Just because developers are not ripping out new programs that are using all 8 cores is not the point. If you remember when the PS2 came out is was backwards backwards compatible with the original playstation.
The PS3 comes out the way it is because the MIPS processor had been largely drop by SGI Sony decided to move to the PowerPC architecture this was done because at the time you favorite chip designer Intel was not able to bring to market a chip that was low cost but powerful for the gaming applications. So Sony seeing the success that IBM was having at producing a chip at low cost but running a fast clock and delivering good performance they decided to go with them. But here is the problem many of the games that where designed for the PS2 or if you went that far back PS would not run.
Sony tried getting emulation running with very little success I am glad that IBM did not drop the development of the CELL and is providing a path for a future. So this gives you two things getting away from the very expensive RAMBUS memory that really never lived up to it's potential and switching to the much more cost effective DDR memory. It is not like the CPU cannot produce great results seeing that it crushes Intel latest Quads in floating point. This is great news for PS3 and Sony's future because now they do not have to shop around for a new design IBM is continuing the development of the CELL.
Here is a little paper about that topic and the problems Intel will have going forward.
IBM SJ 45-1 | Using advanced compiler technology to exploit the performance of the Cell Broadband Engine™ architecture
Intel’s 80 core CPU that isn’t | Paul Murphy | ZDNet.com
X-bit labs - Sony PlayStation 3 Costs $840 to Manufacture After All. |
1. I honestly don't think you know what you are talking about because half the stuff you link me is meaningless. Like that entire Supercomputer video that had nothing to do with anything we are talking about.
2. Intel a few years ago was not the number one chip maker. You are correct, that crown went to AMD and fell of their head with a crash when Intel released their dual cores. Since then nothing has compared, absolutely nothing.
3. I have owned AMD since they starting dominating Intel, now, however, the fact is Intel makes the best CPU's. Every benchmark ever done proves this. AMD does not compare, they are firing everyone in charge and are almost bankrupt. In fact the only thing keeping them afloat right now is their price drops and server CPU's.
4. The cell is a piece of trash for gaming and Personal Computing. It was never created with those functions in mind. Show me a single enthusiast who uses them, you can't. You have guys with hundreds of millions of dollars that could set up an entire cell system but laugh at the idea. This is why it's not made availble to the public. It's no good for Personal Computing. The Cell CPU in the PS3 is being outperformed by the CPU in the Xbox 360 that is using technology that is four years old.
5. The Cell was never created with anything but Supercomputing in mind. The architecture needed for super computers is different then the PC or consoles use. Even with this being the case, most companies don't even use the Cell. They stick with AMD and Intel. Their is a reason for this. Since AMD is not doing so good anymore, they are being phased out by Intels Xeon line of CPU's.
6. Yes their are programs that use more then four cores. However, those have nothing to do with consoles or gaming. Those programs are things like Adobe Photoshop, 3d studio max, AutoCAD, Maya 3d and other specialized programs. In fact only 1 video game in the world uses four cores, thats Supreme commander. The four cores also make little to no difference because the GPU bottlenecks the CPU.
The fact of the matter is, the Cell is not good for videogames, or Personal Computing. It's a fact. Anyone who knows the architecture of CPU's knows this. It's flat out no good. It's not an opinion, it's a fact just like 2+2 = 4 is a fact.
Not all CPU's are GPU's are created with the same functions in mind. Intel creates CPU's for PC's, for Enthusiasts, for Laptops and for supercomputers. Nvidia creates GPU's for 3d artists, gamers, architechs and design students. They are all made for different reasons. The fact is the CELL was not made for gaming or personal computing. The new version of the CELL is not either. It says right in your article, it's made for SERVERS.
The new Cell uses old DDR2 memory. It uses old 65nm technology. All of that is old news. By the end of Q3, DDR2 is already being phased out and the Cell is JUST starting to use it.
You have to understand something. The floating point and all that other garbage makes absolutly NO difference in terms of personal computing and gaming. The GPU limits the CPU. CPU's out today are already to fast for most games. If you took a $100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 CPU and put it up against Intels $1000 CPU it would get the EXACT same benchmark. The game would play EXACTLY the same. This is because the GPU limits how well you will play the game. So it can't utilize the full power the CPU has to offer.
You honestly have a lot to learn, because the CELL is a non factor. It was the biggest mistake Sony made with the PS3. If they had used an AMD or Intel CPU then there would be more games, a better online system and the PS3 would be worth purchasing for a gamer. Nobody would have bought the Xbox 360 because PS3 would have had the huge lineup. Now, however, All games that are on both systems run better on the Xbox 360, the Xbox 360 has the better line up, and developers create games faster for the platform. All because of the CPU.
If you want to see the future of Gaming and Person computer look here.
Nehalem (microarchitecture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
Nehalem is the code name for Intel new line of CPU. It's going to be the biggest jump in performance in far over a decade. If you go to any enthusiast site on the Internet, everyone is talking about Nehalem. Everybody. From the message boards to the News blogs.
