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Old 07-19-2007, 12:10 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Well, i just did in the post above yours.

The brain produce many drugs for all major events that happens to us, the example i used is related to pain by a punch, the brain will react imediatelly to counter this event, of course these drugs are neither the pain nor the punch, just a reaction, an outcome.
I meant, like, evidence. Pain and pleasure are actually the result of those chemicals, and the way our modern mammalian cortex and nervous system interprets them. If you read "Emotional Intelligence" the author goes into great detail in explaining how pain/pleasure/emotion are initiated before the neo-cortex (the part of our brain that understands). The pain is a mixture of all four factors, the punch, the nervous system that transmits the message to the chemicals which are released because of it and the perception created by the neo-cortex after being influenced by both the nervous system and the chemicals (which is precisely why some people can teach themselves to ignore pain, by taking out the perception that chemicals and the nervous system send in, even though they are in fact still damaging their body). Take out any of the four factors, the punch, the nervous system, the chemicals, or the neo-cortex, and you don't get the actual perception of an event called pain.

It's naive to think that any single action in the human body causes anything. Our bodies are feedback systems that rely both on internal stimulus as much as it does on external stimulus.

Love operates the same way, through many different factors. Oxytocin is responsible not for the initial perception of an individual. Oxytocin is responsible for the initial feeling a person gets in an intense relationship. The (stimulus) other person causes the chemical (oxytocin), the chemical influences the neo-cortex, and the neo-cortex creates the perception (self-awareness) of being in love. If you took out the neo-cortex, that person would still be in love, they just wouldn't be aware of it (ala Prairie Vole or Canadian Geese). It sounds silly, because if you took out the neo-cortex that person wouldn't really be a person anymore.
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Old 07-19-2007, 01:43 PM   #32 (permalink)

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No way I believe the 10% father statistic. Way to high. Not only that, if the child and husband don't know about this; why the hell would the woman admit it in a survey.
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Old 07-19-2007, 03:30 PM   #33 (permalink)

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I meant, like, evidence. Pain and pleasure are actually the result of those chemicals, and the way our modern mammalian cortex and nervous system interprets them. If you read "Emotional Intelligence" the author goes into great detail in explaining how pain/pleasure/emotion are initiated before the neo-cortex (the part of our brain that understands). The pain is a mixture of all four factors, the punch, the nervous system that transmits the message to the chemicals which are released because of it and the perception created by the neo-cortex after being influenced by both the nervous system and the chemicals (which is precisely why some people can teach themselves to ignore pain, by taking out the perception that chemicals and the nervous system send in, even though they are in fact still damaging their body). Take out any of the four factors, the punch, the nervous system, the chemicals, or the neo-cortex, and you don't get the actual perception of an event called pain.

It's naive to think that any single action in the human body causes anything. Our bodies are feedback systems that rely both on internal stimulus as much as it does on external stimulus.

Love operates the same way, through many different factors. Oxytocin is responsible not for the initial perception of an individual. Oxytocin is responsible for the initial feeling a person gets in an intense relationship. The (stimulus) other person causes the chemical (oxytocin), the chemical influences the neo-cortex, and the neo-cortex creates the perception (self-awareness) of being in love. If you took out the neo-cortex, that person would still be in love, they just wouldn't be aware of it (ala Prairie Vole or Canadian Geese). It sounds silly, because if you took out the neo-cortex that person wouldn't really be a person anymore.
Well, you explained better than me why oxytocin is not love but one among many process related to love.

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Old 07-19-2007, 04:43 PM   #34 (permalink)
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10% is a high number. But everything there makes sense for the most part. pretty interesting/frightening stuff
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