[Seliente]

Nope, I'm doing good for myself. I've just always been obsessed with attraction and trying to understand that. Mix that with a taste for psychology and science and you have me.

I'll admit I had a weird time with relationships growing up, spent a lot of time counseling girls with mild to severe issues instead of trying to make a move on them. I never even kissed a girl until I was 18 - so that definitely contributed to the obsession. Mix those two things in with an inquisitive nature, a taste for psychology and science, and bam! you get me. Now I just love thinking about it because it makes me understand the women I get involved with a little bit better.

[Ok]

Ah yes, of course. It is only a behavior that is seen in some women, although ALL women do prefer the 'macho' sweat when ovulating. At the very least, that neurological mechanism operating through the stimulus of pheromones, shows at least one biologically influenced aspect of attraction (but only a small part, as in humans there are MANY factors to attraction that operate through other mechanisms, especially for women - the book explains these too). That is precisely why it does not determine behavior mechanistically.

it could still be considered mechanistic if it were part of a necessary outcome (however abstract). A result of a composite system. But the process is multileveled and thus somewhat non-linear, the outcome being at least partially determined from a reciprocal system of biological dispositions and attitudes (socially orientated perceptions for one).

That's a question that hasn't been studied yet. Scientists don't really know what the frequency is for women actually acting out that kind of behavior. And they aren't even close to deducing why some women succumb to that urge, while others do not. One woman while she is ovulating may just sit at home and watch a movie, while another might go out on the town and three-wayed by three bikers.

I would have assumed some investigation would have occurred. Nonetheless it would seem at this level of observation, the inquiry is necessarily better accessed within a social cognitive framework. All other elements being relatively akin, attitudes and values, perceptions in general, will play a primary role in determining individual behaviour.

I have some theories on why that have to do with Neo-cortexal influence on behavior, but it's all just theories. I think a lot of the variance in behavior stems from the interplay between the Neo-cortex, and the older parts of our mammalian brain. It's all just theories though, I would like to actually investigate the question some day.

I can only be eclectic in this matter

[Jay Pan ROKK]

Oxytocin is not love, it is a by product of love but not it.

[Ok]

chicken or egg ?

[Cafu]

love is a trick of the mind to get two people to stay together long enough to rear a child. whatever you want to call it - love, oxytocin, sexual by-product - it does not last forever.

[Mithra]

Originally Posted by Ok

chicken or egg ?

The obvious answer is the egg via DNA...

[Jay Pan ROKK]

Originally Posted by Ok

chicken or egg ?

Hmm, if your post was a reply to mine just above, it is not so.

For example, when someone is punched and feel pain the brain produce some drugs, of course these drugs are neither the punch nor the pain, they are the outcome of.

[Seliente]

Originally Posted by Jay Pan ROKK

Oxytocin is not love, it is a by product of love but not it.

Please explain why you believe that. I'm interested in hearing your explanation.

[Seliente]

Originally Posted by Cafu

love is a trick of the mind to get two people to stay together long enough to rear a child. whatever you want to call it - love, oxytocin, sexual by-product - it does not last forever.

Actually a large initial influx of oxytocin (during the first 6 months to a year of a relationship) can determine whether or not a couple loves each other for their entire life. It simply doesn't last forever for some people because they lack the genes that influence that behavior.

[Jay Pan ROKK]

Originally Posted by Seliente

Please explain why you believe that. I'm interested in hearing your explanation.

Well, i just did in the post above yours.

The brain produce many drugs for all major events that happens to us, the example i used is related to pain by a punch, the brain will react imediatelly to counter this event, of course these drugs are neither the pain nor the punch, just a reaction, an outcome.