[DrSatanDracula]

Yellowhare:

"OK, I'll tell you what, you do this. You get my father down here, get him down here right now, and if I'm drunker than he is, you can fire me."

Jack was making a purposeful point while bumbling drunk.

Which makes no sense unless the father is still alive.

[DrSatanDracula]

2short:

Jack was high as a kite when that happened. He is dead unless they reveal they are on a different timeline in the future where Jack never outed his dad for being drunk on duty and his dad never ran to Australia where he died and Jack ID'd the body.

Jack saw his father on the island.

[2short]

Originally Posted by YellowHare

The whole "Jack's dad is alive" concept is constantly being misinterpreted:

"OK, I'll tell you what, you do this. You get my father down here, get him down here right now, and if I'm drunker than he is, you can fire me."

Jack was making a purposeful point while bumbling drunk.

What was the point if his dad is dead?

[2short]

Originally Posted by DrSatanDracula

2short:



Jack saw his father on the island.

they are visions, nothing more.

Just like Walt was seen a number of times, even as a teenager. What about Michael constantly seeing Libby last night? Is she still alive?

What about when Boone comes back? Is he alive? He was buried on the island.

[2short]

One thing that disappointed me in last night's episode...I was hoping they would explain the whole Walt aging thing.

When Michael was talking with his mom, I was expecting her to say he disappeared for 3 years, which would explain Walt's aging, but she said he was gone two months.

I thought they would tie that together with Faraday's comments about time being different on the island.

[YellowHare]

Originally Posted by DrSatanDracula

Which makes no sense unless the father is still alive.

Originally Posted by 2short

What was the point if his dad is dead?

Like I said, he's making a point, just not in the most precise of ways (due to being drunk). Jack is basically waging his job against the the hospital's claims of his condition (hammered); he tells them to go find his father (which they can't; that's the point) and if he's as drunk as he is (which is an impossibility; he's dead; this is the drunk part talking) he can be fired (which can't happen).

It makes perfect sense when you're not trying to make a conspiracy out of it. Bad way to write it? Sure. Intentional? Absolutely.

[2short]

Originally Posted by YellowHare

Like I said, he's making a point, just not in the most precise of ways (due to being drunk). Jack is basically waging his job against the the hospital's claims of his condition (hammered); he tells them to go find his father (which they can't; that's the point) and if he's as drunk as he is (which is an impossibility; he's dead; this is the drunk part talking) he can be fired (which can't happen).

It makes perfect sense when you're not trying to make a conspiracy out of it. Bad way to write it? Sure. Intentional? Absolutely.

I think that would be way too subtle for viewers even by Lost standards.

[YellowHare]

Could be, but I doubt it.

The Lost creators intend on fans running wild with speculation, purposely trying to mislead them so they cannot guess the outcome of the situation. So why should this be any different? If anything, I would find it more convincing if Charlie, Boone, Ana Lucia, or any of the other people on the island died ended up being alive in the "real" world because of the implications of the island.

Jack's dad, however, died back in the real world, with no relation to the island, so to believe that he's really alive just because of some visions created by the island... well, that doesn't hold enough water for me. There's been plenty of other visions on the island and it seems that it's always been about the island trying to use a means to communicate with the person, not to show that something is what it doesn't seem to be. Hell, even Kate saw her horse. Am I supposed to get all conspiracy-theory over that, then, and the implications it has in regards to her horse back in the "real" world?

The island is alive in one form or another, whether working on its own or through conjunction with Jacob, and they are tapping into the subconcious of the inhabitants to use particular visions to immediately get their attention in order to communicate an idea. Nothing more.

Jack's dad is dead. And this will ring true until the very end, when I'll have to stand there and say "I told you so." Now, does that mean his role is simply a father? That I'm not so sure of. Between his being Jack's father, Claire's father and having a "convenient" meeting of Sawyer prior to the plane crash, I'm willing to be there's more to him than we know.

[2short]

Originally Posted by YellowHare

Could be, but I doubt it.

The Lost creators intend on fans running wild with speculation, purposely trying to mislead them so they cannot guess the outcome of the situation. So why should this be any different? If anything, I would find it more convincing if Charlie, Boone, Ana Lucia, or any of the other people on the island died ended up being alive in the "real" world because of the implications of the island.

Jack's dad, however, died back in the real world, with no relation to the island, so to believe that he's really alive just because of some visions created by the island... well, that doesn't hold enough water for me. There's been plenty of other visions on the island and it seems that it's always been about the island trying to use a means to communicate with the person, not to show that something is what it doesn't seem to be. Hell, even Kate saw her horse. Am I supposed to get all conspiracy-theory over that, then, and the implications it has in regards to her horse back in the "real" world?

The island is alive in one form or another, whether working on its own or through conjunction with Jacob, and they are tapping into the subconcious of the inhabitants to use particular visions to immediately get their attention in order to communicate an idea. Nothing more.

Jack's dad is dead. And this will ring true until the very end, when I'll have to stand there and say "I told you so." Now, does that mean his role is simply a father? That I'm not so sure of. Between his being Jack's father, Claire's father and having a "convenient" meeting of Sawyer prior to the plane crash, I'm willing to be there's more to him than we know.

I agree that Jack's dad is dead.

[DrSatanDracula]

Yellowhare:

Jack's dad, however, died back in the real world, with no relation to the island, so to believe that he's really alive just because of some visions created by the island... well, that doesn't hold enough water for me. There's been plenty of other visions on the island and it seems that it's always been about the island trying to use a means to communicate with the person, not to show that something is what it doesn't seem to be. Hell, even Kate saw her horse. Am I supposed to get all conspiracy-theory over that, then, and the implications it has in regards to her horse back in the "real" world

It's not simply because of the vision. It is also due to what Jack said. Jack's comment makes no sense if his father isn't alive. He might have been drunk/high, but few people forget their dead has been dead for three years.

I am also of the belief that he is deeper involved with the island than has been revealed.