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Old 02-29-2008, 12:47 PM   #501 (permalink)

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I thought she said that she started looking for Desmond after speaking with Charlie three years prior.

So how does she know about the island and that Desmond was on it?
No she said she had been looking for him for 3 years, than when she talked to Charlie it proved to her that she was not crazy.
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Old 02-29-2008, 01:11 PM   #502 (permalink)

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Just an interesting piece of info...I think "Daniel Faraday" was named after the physicist "Michael Faraday" who did the same types of experients (I think).
Lost has been tipping its hat in this fashion since the beginning.

"George Minkowski" after Hermann Minkowski who is best known for "Minkowski spacetime", in which the time and space are not separated entities but intermingled in a four dimensional space-time. Basically, three-dimensional Euclidian space we know + time as a fourth dimension. Minkowski realized that by considering time as a component of space, Einstein's special theory of relativity worked out just fine (and Einstein explained his theory through the twin paradox). The Brookhaven experiments may be confirming that there are multiple dimensions that we're existing within. Scientists at Brookhaven National Laboratory have confirmed earlier evidence of a discrepancy between the Standard Model of particle physics and the "magnetic moment" of the muon.

I think the next Dharma station will borrow themes from the twin paradox. The twin paradox refers to a thought experiment in Special Relativity, in which a person who makes a journey into space in a high-speed rocket will return home to find he or she has aged less than an identical twin who stayed on Earth (Dan Faraday's "payload"). He called the slowing of time due to motion time dilation. I'm guessing another twist might be, what happens when the "twins" from different timelines meet. What happens if you take two mirrors and arrange them so that they are facing each other in empty space? Mutual attraction. The Casimir effect.... Force from nothing.
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Old 02-29-2008, 01:14 PM   #503 (permalink)

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Does anyone know what the deal with those numbers were that Desmond had to remember to tell Faraday?
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Old 02-29-2008, 01:17 PM   #504 (permalink)

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best episode ever, at least some of it is clearer now.

its about time!!
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Does anyone know what the deal with those numbers were that Desmond had to remember to tell Faraday?
They were frequencies to program his device to so he could send his rat to the appropriate time to be able to run the maze.
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They were frequencies to program his device to so he could send his rat to the appropriate time to be able to run the maze.
Ahhhh. Makes sense.

That was one of the craziest episodes in a while.
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Wow! Last night episode blows me away! I got to say this is by far the best Lost episode of all time! I love how desmond travel pass and present back and forth at the same time. Anyone notice desmond does looks older with longer hair? The scene where he talked to Penne was moving, there is love, hope, and the sci-fi magic. It was incredible!
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Lost has been tipping its hat in this fashion since the beginning.

"George Minkowski" after Hermann Minkowski who is best known for "Minkowski spacetime", in which the time and space are not separated entities but intermingled in a four dimensional space-time. Basically, three-dimensional Euclidian space we know + time as a fourth dimension. Minkowski realized that by considering time as a component of space, Einstein's special theory of relativity worked out just fine (and Einstein explained his theory through the twin paradox). The Brookhaven experiments may be confirming that there are multiple dimensions that we're existing within. Scientists at Brookhaven National Laboratory have confirmed earlier evidence of a discrepancy between the Standard Model of particle physics and the "magnetic moment" of the muon.

I think the next Dharma station will borrow themes from the twin paradox. The twin paradox refers to a thought experiment in Special Relativity, in which a person who makes a journey into space in a high-speed rocket will return home to find he or she has aged less than an identical twin who stayed on Earth (Dan Faraday's "payload"). He called the slowing of time due to motion time dilation. I'm guessing another twist might be, what happens when the "twins" from different timelines meet. What happens if you take two mirrors and arrange them so that they are facing each other in empty space? Mutual attraction. The Casimir effect.... Force from nothing.

Many of the characters are also modeled or influenced by philosophers. Right down to sharing identical names with them.




"Lost pays homage to history's greatest thinkers by naming characters after philosophers who mused on man, nature and society, themes central to the ABC drama (tonight, 10 ET/PT). USA TODAY dissects the parallels and contrasts of the twosomes, starting with their Lost names (and relying on a bit of a stretch in some cases):

John Locke

Character: A frustrated office worker (Terry O'Quinn) in a wheelchair transformed to a vital, ambulatory explorer on the island.

•In the episode "Man of Science, Man of Faith," Locke represents faith. Feels a spiritual bond with the mysterious island.

•Episode title with Locke flashback: "Tabula Rasa."
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Philosopher: John Locke (1632-1704), English philosopher of the Enlightenment Era.

•Differs from Lost's Locke by favoring reason in the search for truth and championing science.

•Believed the mind starts as tabula rasa, or blank slate, and learns through experience.

Expert comment: The philosopher saw humans starting in a state of nature — the crash survivors — and moving toward some kind of social contract, as the people on the beach have, says David Thomer, who teaches philosophy at La Salle University. His belief that action is based on experiences fits in with Lost's signature flashbacks: "What the creators are doing here is trying to show you the particular experiences that are motivating the characters."

Danielle Rousseau

Character: Island survivor (Mira Furlan) from an earlier, ill-fated expedition.

•After living alone on the island for years, Rousseau is intensely suspicious of all, including the Lostaways.

•She often seems unhinged, possibly a result of living in the wild so long.

Philosopher: Jean Jacques Rousseau (1712-78), French philosopher, born in Switzerland.

•Rousseau grew paranoid later in life and had a famed falling-out with philosopher colleague David Hume.

•In his later writings, Rousseau sees society as beneficial, allowing people to work together andproviding security.

Expert comment:"The Rousseau character has been stuck in a state of nature for so long … she might have gone mad at some point," Thomer says. "You could read that as a warning about what the state of nature can do and how destructive it can be."

Ms. Hawking

Character: The shopkeeper (Fionnula Flanagan) in Desmond's time-twisting flashback.

•In the flashback, Ms. Hawking tells Desmond he can't change the past and propose to Penny.

Philosopher: Stephen Hawking (1942-), English theoretical physicist.

•Hawking, author of A Brief History of Time (a book seen in the Feb. 7 episode), has discussed the concept of wormholes, which could potentially allow travel through time and space.

Expert comment: Desmond's effort is futile. Hume argued that "there is a definite structure to the way things are supposed to go. So Desmond isn't able to use his knowledge" to change events completely, Thomer says. According to Joley Wood, author of Living Lost and a Lost blogger at powells.com, "Desmond knows Charlie is going to die. He can save Charlie when he can, but he can't stop it," he says.

Anthony Cooper

Character: Locke's father (Kevin Tighe), a con man with a violent streak.

•Cooper and Locke are estranged. Locke's obsession with his father destroys a budding relationship with a woman.

•Locke donates a kidney to his ailing father (though later, his father tries to kill Locke).

Philosopher: Anthony Cooper (1671-1713), English philosopher and Third Earl of Shaftesbury.

•Cooper and Locke were not related but had close ties. Locke was in charge of overseeing Cooper's education and his wedding.

•Locke supervised the medical treatment of Cooper's grandfather, the First Earl of Shaftesbury, who suffered from a liver infection.

Expert comment: The philosopher believed the individual had conflicting appetites that had to be brought into harmony, Wood says. "The Cooper of Lost is almost the opposite of everything the philosopher was. The Earl of Shaftesbury worked toward social harmony; the Cooper of Lost foments social discord by manipulating others' appetites for his benefit."

Edmund Burke

Character: Juliet's ex-husband (Zeljko Ivanek) and head of the Florida medical research lab where she works.

•Enjoys his authority as the boss.

•Dies after being hit by a bus.

Philosopher: Edmund Burke (1730-97), Irish political writer whose work delved into philosophy.

•Believed in preserving hierarchy within social order. Considered father of modern conservatism.

•Died of natural causes.

Expert comment: "One thing I got out of Edmund Burke on Lost was that he liked operating within a very hierarchical structure. He had a position of authority that entitled him to certain things," Thomer says.

Mikhail Bakunin

Character: Russian (Andrew Divoff) lived alone on the Flame station, one of the Dharma Initiative sites, alternately claiming and denying a connection to Dharma. Later, apparently dies when Locke pushes him into a trespasser security system.

•Lived in isolation, outside of societal strictures.

•Shot Ms. Klugh (April Grace), an authority figure of The Others.

Philosopher: Mikhail Bakunin (1814-76), Russian philosopher and advocate of anarchism.

•Deeply mistrusted centralized governments and their leaders.

Expert comment: The character Bakunin "lived out on his own, away from the centralized system of Other-ville, where Ben seems to run the show," Wood says. When he shot Ms. Klugh, "the image we're left with is Bakunin killing his leader. Which is strictly, in and of itself, a rather anarchic image."

Desmond David Hume

Character: He's the man in the hatch who turned the fail-safe key that saved the island (Henry Ian Cusick).

•In the flashback, a first-of-its-kind for Lost, Desmond in the past appears to have knowledge of the future and attempts to change earlier actions, such as ending his relationship with true love Penny. He also has precognition, using that knowledge to try to save Charlie.

Philosopher: David Hume (1711-76), Scottish philosopher.

•Hume examined the conflict of free will vs. determinism; this relates to Desmond's attempts to alter the past to influence the future."

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best episode ever, at least some of it is clearer now.

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havent seen the most recent episode yet, how long does it take till they put it up on the ABC website, anyone know?
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havent seen the most recent episode yet, how long does it take till they put it up on the ABC website, anyone know?
It's up there now, enjoy.
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