[eworden78]

Ok wrong on many counts.
I'm short on time so my answers will be brief.

Hypocrisy:
The condemnation you describe is not an indicator of hatred. Eternal life is something you receive from Jesus. He does not hate those who are condemned to hell. You cannot receive eternal life without going through him, and these people chose not to.

The fig tree was a parable. It was intended to the necessity of living things to have a value or purpose.

The example about plucking your eyes out or cutting off your hand is also not literal.
It's is emphasising that you should avoid sin at all costs. Anything no matter how apparently necessary to life is expendable if it causes you to sin. For instance your job might seem impossible to survive without(just like your eyes and hands) but if your job forces you to sin you should quit it.

The "ask and you shall receive argument" is bogus because Jesus is describing people who truly believe in him. Someone that fully buys in to Jesus' philosophy and doctrine would never ask for worldly possessions. Just as Jesus did not ask God for assistance when he met the devil in the wilderness. Or how Jesus did not have God rescue him from the cross.

The thievery argument is a strange one, never really thought about that.

The argument about seeing the kingdoms from the mountain top is just too nit-picky.
He could mean every known kingdom in the area. He's there with the Devil, I mean is it that big of a stretch to think that the son of God and the Prince of darkness might see differently than us?

[Masakatsu Funaki #1]

Originally Posted by Mens Rea

If you read what paul wrote, he didn't even think jesus was a real person. Also, paul does not mention any of jesus's miracles. Not a single one outside of the resurrection. And paul wrote his letters prior to the gospels being written. Isn't that funny, that paul doesn't mention even one miracle?

Paul was smart. He didn't speak about something he hadn't seen. Its been awhile since I read his writings though, so I wont go any farther than that.

[Reyesnuthugr]

Originally Posted by Mens Rea

I could blaspheme the holy ghost. It's an unforgivable sin. Wouldn't that prove something? Here: The holy ghost is a joke, it's not real, it does not exist, and is a fraud.

But by saying that, you just converted like 30 people, who are recoiling from what you just said; they don't want to be like that. Aren't you the one who had the sheep in wolve's clothing avatar (or vice versa)? Surely you're in with the big brass

Guerilla conversion tactics

sneaky but effective

[Mens Rea]

Originally Posted by Masakatsu Funaki #1

Paul was smart. He didn't speak about something he hadn't seen. Its been awhile since I read his writings though, so I wont go any farther than that.

Pauls letters were written before the gospels. None of the gospels were written during jesus's lifetime or by people who were alive during jesus's lifetime. In addition, there isn't a single piece of evidence which references jesus that was written during his lifetime.

[Mens Rea]

eworden78 - thank you for the serious reply. I'll answer it point by point when I get time to put some thought into it.

Originally Posted by Reyesnuthugr

But by saying that, you just converted like 30 people, who are recoiling from what you just said; they don't want to be like that. Aren't you the one who had the sheep in wolve's clothing avatar (or vice versa)? Surely you're in with the big brass

Guerilla conversion tactics

sneaky but effective

It's the opposite, as far as people know in real life, I am a christian.

[Mens Rea]

Originally Posted by eworden78

Ok wrong on many counts.
I'm short on time so my answers will be brief.

Hypocrisy:
The condemnation you describe is not an indicator of hatred. Eternal life is something you receive from Jesus. He does not hate those who are condemned to hell. You cannot receive eternal life without going through him, and these people chose not to.

What's more hateful than sending someone to a lake of fire for eternity?

The fig tree was a parable. It was intended to the necessity of living things to have a value or purpose.

How do you tell the parables from historical events? The fig tree story was not written as a parable.

The example about plucking your eyes out or cutting off your hand is also not literal.
It's is emphasising that you should avoid sin at all costs. Anything no matter how apparently necessary to life is expendable if it causes you to sin. For instance your job might seem impossible to survive without(just like your eyes and hands) but if your job forces you to sin you should quit it.

Again, how do you distinguish the literal from the ****phorical? And if I shouldn't really pluck out my eye, how do I know that I should really quit my job?

The "ask and you shall receive argument" is bogus because Jesus is describing people who truly believe in him. Someone that fully buys in to Jesus' philosophy and doctrine would never ask for worldly possessions. Just as Jesus did not ask God for assistance when he met the devil in the wilderness. Or how Jesus did not have God rescue him from the cross.

How convenient! Only unasnwerable prayers get answered! But jesus said "anything." You really can't get around this. Even if you could, what about asking for me to be saved?

The argument about seeing the kingdoms from the mountain top is just too nit-picky.
He could mean every known kingdom in the area. He's there with the Devil, I mean is it that big of a stretch to think that the son of God and the Prince of darkness might see differently than us?

How can we tell the literal from the ****phorical in the bible?

[cakewalkbaby]

Originally Posted by Mens Rea

How can we tell the literal from the ****phorical in the bible?

Easy. When passages in the bible are shown to be erroneous, they are ****phorical.

[bRaT]

Originally Posted by cakewalkbaby

Easy. When passages in the bible are shown to be erroneous, they are ****phorical.

praise be to cakewalk!

[eworden78]

Originally Posted by Mens Rea

What's more hateful than sending someone to a lake of fire for eternity?

He's not sending them to a lake of fire. That is where they are destined to go if they don't accept his free gift. He's showing them the way not to go there, they have free will and it is by choice that they end up in the lake of fire.

How do you tell the parables from historical events? The fig tree story was not written as a parable.

Fig tree story is a strange one I'll leave it alone for now. I've wracked my brain for year over the meaning of it.

Again, how do you distinguish the literal from the ****phorical? And if I shouldn't really pluck out my eye, how do I know that I should really quit my job?

This one seems so obvious it's hard for me to explain. He's trying to drive the point home. We see parts of our body as being indispensable. But he's saying they are insignificant compared to negativity of sin. You said earlier, your body can't make you sin. I agree but if somehow it could this passage would apply literally.

How convenient! Only unanswerable prayers get answered! But Jesus said "anything." You really can't get around this. Even if you could, what about asking for me to be saved?

Not unanswerable, but selfless. Most of the time we ask for something it is selfish. Even if it seems like it isn't. Asking for God to save you might seem selfless but the only reason I would be asking for that is to dispell my own personal doubts.

How can we tell the literal from the ****phorical in the bible?

We need to use reason and logic.(redundant I know)

[Mens Rea]

Originally Posted by eworden78

He's not sending them to a lake of fire. That is where they are destined to go if they don't accept his free gift. He's showing them the way not to go there, they have free will and it is by choice that they end up in the lake of fire.

But jesus created the lake of fire and the (false) dilemma of chosing him or eternal damnation.

Originally Posted by eworden78

Asking for God to save you might seem selfless but the only reason I would be asking for that is to dispell my own personal doubts.

I appreciate your answers.

But can you ask god to save me, out of love for me as a fellow human being? Can you do it so that I am saved? Maybe if I promise not to tell you that I am saved it will help that part about dispelling your own personal doubts. You'll gain nothing by my conversion, but I will avoid eternal torture in a lake of fire. You can ask it in jesus's name, like I showed earlier in this thread.