[fightingrabbit]

Originally Posted by Bullitt68

He doesn't have the same charisma, you literally can't understand the words that come out of his mouth, and instead of fighting he substitutes in stupid acrobatic and gymnastic choreography.

lol chans fight sequences are a fuckload better than anything you'd see in an arnold movie.

[I Am Korean]

Originally Posted by chardog

Jackie Chan > Jet Li > Bruce Lee

No Jet Li is the WORST by FAR. That guy takes himself so fucking super cereal that it's disgusting.

[Sherpa]

Holy shit. I didn't realize Jackie had done all that!

[Bullitt68]

Originally Posted by The Hug Dog

Man I like your spiel about movies on here but Jackie Chan definitley has more charisma than you give him credit for.

I don't feel he does. He's not imposing, he's not sympathetic (that can be attributed to his lack of any acting ability), and he's only funny in the sense that it's funny how so many people think he's so great.

His best film in terms of fighting, story, and acting is Rumble in the Bronx. I have to give him credit for that because that's a solid film.

Like I said: I respect him as a stunt man (everybody, fan or not, should check out that documentary of his "My Stunts") but his fight scenes are dumb, his films are weak (The Tuxedo? Give me a break), and he's a terrible actor, so bad that it detracts from the story. He ruins any and all punchlines and it's impossible to take him seriously in the least.

Originally Posted by pinoy ninja

hes funny and the fight scenes are fun to watch.

He's not funny. He's a terrible actor and he's never had a punchline succeed.

As for his fight scenes: I don't want "fun" fight scenes. I want fight scenes. I hate watching him hopping around and doing somersaults and flipping furniture and doing all of that stupid shit. If stuff like that is mixed in with serious fighting (e.g. the apartment fight in Rapid Fire) then I can tolerate it, but THAT'S ALL HE DOES.

Originally Posted by chardog

Jackie Chan > Jet Li > Bruce Lee

I just died a little inside.

Originally Posted by fightingrabbit

lol chans fight sequences are a fuckload better than anything you'd see in an arnold movie.

I'm comparing his fight scenes to those done by other martial artists. You watch the fight scenes in Bruce Lee movies, Jet Li movies, Brandon Lee movies, Steven Seagal movies, hell even JCVD movies and they're much better.

And for the record: Arnold versus the Predator>Any Jackie Chan fight.

Originally Posted by I Am Korean

No Jet Li is the WORST by FAR. That guy takes himself so fucking super cereal that it's disgusting.

He takes himself seriously because he generally plays serious characters in serious films. He doesn't need compound his idiocy by making a mockery of himself and his martial arts the way Jackie Chan does.

Jackie Chan wishes he could've done something as great as the Once Upon a Time in China trilogy or Kiss of the Dragon. It's a good thing he refused the bad guy part in Lethal Weapon 4 and we got to have the better actor and the better martial arts star in Jet Li play the role.

[The Hug Dog]

Originally Posted by Bullitt68

I don't feel he does. He's not imposing, he's not sympathetic (that can be attributed to his lack of any acting ability), and he's only funny in the sense that it's funny how so many people think he's so great.

His best film in terms of fighting, story, and acting is Rumble in the Bronx. I have to give him credit for that because that's a solid film.

Like I said: I respect him as a stunt man (everybody, fan or not, should check out that documentary of his "My Stunts") but his fight scenes are dumb, his films are weak (The Tuxedo? Give me a break), and he's a terrible actor, so bad that it detracts from the story. He ruins any and all punchlines and it's impossible to take him seriously in the least.

Meh, its all subjective. I feel Jackie Chan brings something different to the table and he definitley has a loveable charm and enthusiasm. Sure he has never done roles with the depth of say Jet Li in 'Once Upon A Time In China' but neither Li nor Lee have done anything that is pure comedy gold like 'Project A'. Sure 'The Tuxedo' sucks but Jet Li's career isn't all masterpieces by any means. Jackie Chan has some decent movies, 'Police Story', 'Rumble In The Bronx', 'Snake In The Eagles Shadow', and Drunken Master are all great fun.

[Bullitt68]

Originally Posted by The Hug Dog

Meh, its all subjective. I feel Jackie Chan brings something different to the table and he definitley has a loveable charm and enthusiasm. Sure he has never done roles with the depth of say Jet Li in 'Once Upon A Time In China' but neither Li nor Lee have done anything that is pure comedy gold like 'Project A'. Sure 'The Tuxedo' sucks but Jet Li's career isn't all masterpieces by any means. Jackie Chan has some decent movies, 'Police Story', 'Rumble In The Bronx', 'Snake In The Eagles Shadow', and Drunken Master are all great fun.

Well, to be fair, Bruce Lee didn't have the time to amass a real resume.

And I agree that it's subjective. I may look for different things in martial arts/action films than other people, and of the things I want in a martial arts/action film, none of them are fulfilled by Jackie Chan (and not always for a lack of trying).

Add that to the fact that he actually turned down a role because he refused to be in a film where he wasn't the good guy everybody is supposed to love and cheer for and it's very hard for me to like him and want to watch his films.

I respect him as a stunt man, I don't respect him in the least as an actor, and I think he's overrated as a martial arts/action star.

[boxer steve]

Charlie Chaplin was the first and the best. He did stunts when there were no stunt men. I like jackie alot though.

[The Hug Dog]

Originally Posted by Bullitt68

Well, to be fair, Bruce Lee didn't have the time to amass a real resume.

And I agree that it's subjective. I may look for different things in martial arts/action films than other people, and of the things I want in a martial arts/action film, none of them are fulfilled by Jackie Chan (and not always for a lack of trying).

Add that to the fact that he actually turned down a role because he refused to be in a film where he wasn't the good guy everybody is supposed to love and cheer for and it's very hard for me to like him and want to watch his films.

I respect him as a stunt man, I don't respect him in the least as an actor, and I think he's overrated as a martial arts/action star.

Yeah man thats fair.

I'm a huge Bruce Lee fan but the guy couldn't act. An unbelievable man and martial artist but his acting was not his strong suit by any means. But as you say, he barely had a chance. I just think you have to be some sort of cynic to not appreciate 'Project A', its one of my favourite martial arts movies ever

[pinoy ninja]

Originally Posted by Bullitt68

I don't feel he does. He's not imposing, he's not sympathetic (that can be attributed to his lack of any acting ability), and he's only funny in the sense that it's funny how so many people think he's so great.

His best film in terms of fighting, story, and acting is Rumble in the Bronx. I have to give him credit for that because that's a solid film.

Like I said: I respect him as a stunt man (everybody, fan or not, should check out that documentary of his "My Stunts") but his fight scenes are dumb, his films are weak (The Tuxedo? Give me a break), and he's a terrible actor, so bad that it detracts from the story. He ruins any and all punchlines and it's impossible to take him seriously in the least.



He's not funny. He's a terrible actor and he's never had a punchline succeed.

As for his fight scenes: I don't want "fun" fight scenes. I want fight scenes. I hate watching him hopping around and doing somersaults and flipping furniture and doing all of that stupid shit. If stuff like that is mixed in with serious fighting (e.g. the apartment fight in Rapid Fire) then I can tolerate it, but THAT'S ALL HE DOES.

you gotta watch some of his older films to really appreciate him. you can say his fight scenes are stupid and dumb but thats what made him popular. ppl like him becos of that. he has his own unique style its not your typical martial arts film. are you really expecting to see an mma fight in his movies? he wants to entertain his fans and hopping around and flipping around might be stupid but to a casual fan they'd think thats awesome. come on now its a movie. jackie deserves all the respect. he puts his life on the line doing death defying stunts for the sake of entertainment. i don't even know how many times he escaped death.

[GoForkYourself]

Originally Posted by Bullitt68

you literally can't understand the words that come out of his mouth

i can understand the words that are coming out of his mouth.

sonny chiba is the best, in terms of him as an actor and the characters he plays, but i would say jackie has the best fight scenes and overall the best movies.