[Fedorable]

Home Depot also pays for college, downside is working at home depot

[Sohei]

Originally Posted by MT420MT

So how do I get the government to pay for my college if...:

*My parents combined salary is over $100,000 a year

Your parents are pretty well off, I think they could easily afford your college education, or at least pay half and you could pay the other half or fund it through shcolarships. You should talk to them about it. I dont know anyone in college whose parents are in that income bracket and arent paying at least half the bill.

Originally Posted by MT420MT

Is it just me or is a lot of money being wasted trying to pay for people's education that don't need it or don't want it.

No its not you, alot of the wrong people get funds they dont need. One of my friends got grants to go to college and pay for it, he took the money and bought stereo equipment with it. There are also kids whose parents have 6 figure incomes and get lots of aid and kids whose parents are on welfare and get little to nothing. Its really a giant clusterfuck. I wish the US woudl just have free college to a certain point like some other countries, it would cut out 99% of the bullshit paperwork and deadlines.

[Mens Rea]

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[El Tiburon]

I find it sick that most of you Americans expect someone else to pay for your education. I laugh when I hear students complaining of the cost of tuition, books, parking passes on campus, Etc Etc Etc.

If you are 19 years old and have been living in your parents house all your life I have one thing to say to you. WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD. It is expensive out here.

It took me 9 years to graduate because I worked full time. Not once did I ask for a dammm penny from Uncle-Scam, or even my own Uncle-Scam run state of Hawaii. If I had my way I would shut down every financial aid program, student grant program and low interest student loan program. Also I find it offensive that my tax dollars are paying some Hillbilly from West Virginia or some Inner City Riff Raff from Chicago through college.

Hey if you need a job that can actually help you with your tuition you can try that Irish/Scotish place around the corner..............MCDonalds

[MT420MT]

I dont think I need a loan yet, but I might in the future. Hopefully I'll be able to get some government money once I move out and I don't claim myself dependent on my tax forms.

Originally Posted by Sohei

Your parents are pretty well off, I think they could easily afford your college education, or at least pay half and you could pay the other half or fund it through shcolarships. You should talk to them about it. I dont know anyone in college whose parents are in that income bracket and arent paying at least half the bill.

They are helping me right now, but I hate putting that burden on them. They have their own bills to pay. The salaries might be decent right now, but my dad was out of work for 2 years. Also, they're immigrants, so they might be making a decent salary right now but they don't have the assets that a family that grew up here would have. They still have a mortgage to pay. Also, I live in California. It's expensive here.

[Quote-Sohei]No its not you, alot of the wrong people get funds they dont need. One of my friends got grants to go to college and pay for it, he took the money and bought stereo equipment with it. There are also kids whose parents have 6 figure incomes and get lots of aid and kids whose parents are on welfare and get little to nothing. Its really a giant clusterfuck. I wish the US woudl just have free college to a certain point like some other countries, it would cut out 99% of the bullshit paperwork and deadlines.[/quote]

Yea, what i've learned from growing up is, in this country, people aren't poor because of their circumstances but beacuse of the choices they make and how they use their resources. I've known kids that weren't that well off that were given large sums of money. One of them was living in a lower middle class family, his mother was a crackhead and he inherited $50,000 when he turned 18. He spent it all in less than a month and has nothing to show for it. I know another kid who was very poor, always complained about it, made everyone feel sorry for him. He inherited like $25,000 or something. First thing he did was go out and buy an Impala and a PSP and rented out his own apartment. WTF? Neither of them went to college, and neither of them having anything to show for it.

If I got money like that in one large sum I'd make something of it, I'd turn it into more, I'd invest, I'd spend it on college. The way I see it though is they never had money, they never had many nice things so the first taste they get of wealth, they go overboard. Perhaps the very reason so much money is wasted due to welfare, unregulated college grants, etc., etc.



[quote=Ualue]Screw going to college. The only reason you need to go to college is if you're going to pursue in a career where you need a college degree (teacher, doctor, fighter pilot, etc).

Go to www.rockwellinstitute.com and sign up for the real estate priniciples and license package for $295. When you get your materials, go to the Dept of Real Estate at www.dre.ca.gov, and sign up for your license about 8 weeks out. That will give you enough time to really study up, etc. If you're a good test taker and/or motivated sign up for your test 4-6 weeks out. You'll pass.

Get your license and sell just one $500,000 house at 3% commission and get a check for $15,000. Then sell another. Then another.

You could already have one sale before you even figure out how you're going to pay for college. Not only that, you'll be in the game and earning a living for 4 years before all of your class mates get out of college and say "now wtf do I do?"[quote]

Is that what you did? How much money are you making? It seems like everyone and their mom is trying to get into real estate and they make it seem like it's the easiest thing ever. I'm not interested in selling houses. I would invest in real estate when I have a steady stream of income, but I do not believe that Real Estate is the panacea to all financial troubles. You make it seem like as soon as I get a real estate license I'm going to be selling houses. How is this possible. I'm a 20 year old kid with no experience doing it. No one's going to go search out a young kid to sell them a house. What happens is you get involved with sleazy brokers that set you up as a "loan officer" and make you work for commision while they rip you off. There's too much of this popping up. It seems like loan officers are the used car salesman of the real estate industry. I asked for a way to pay for college not a quick fix that involves skipping college and spending money on something unrelated.

[Mens Rea]

Originally Posted by El Tiburon

I find it sick that most of you Americans expect someone else to pay for your education. I laugh when I hear students complaining of the cost of tuition, books, parking passes on campus, Etc Etc Etc.

If you are 19 years old and have been living in your parents house all your life I have one thing to say to you. WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD. It is expensive out here.

It took me 9 years to graduate because I worked full time. Not once did I ask for a dammm penny from Uncle-Scam, or even my own Uncle-Scam run state of Hawaii. If I had my way I would shut down every financial aid program, student grant program and low interest student loan program. Also I find it offensive that my tax dollars are paying some Hillbilly from West Virginia or some Inner City Riff Raff from Chicago through college.

Hey if you need a job that can actually help you with your tuition you can try that Irish/Scotish place around the corner..............MCDonalds

Why are you so bitter?

How do you suggest that someone go to law school or medical school without financial aid? Either can cost upwards of $40,000 a year and I know for certain that 1st law students cannot work more than 12hours/week.

[mahalo]

you made a great decision by attending junior college. you're gonna save a boatload of money and won't be in much debt.

take all of the transferrable lower division classes so you can focus on upper-div stuff. what could've taken 3 years i did in two years to finish at the university.

as far as money is concerned, take a job that has tips! i supported myself through junior college as a part-time valet on the weekends (fri, sat, sun) while i was a full-time student. i saved enough money to sustain my "lifestyle" for the next two years when i transferred because i had to move out of town. but i still had a part-time job which didn't pay tips.

[El Tiburon]

Originally Posted by Mens Rea

Why are you so bitter?

How do you suggest that someone go to law school or medical school without financial aid? Either can cost upwards of $40,000 a year and I know for certain that 1st law students cannot work more than 12hours/week.

Well, I just don't believe in handouts. I find it sickening that somebody can go to Medschool and does not have to pay for it. An education costs money and a damm lot of money.

Lets take your example of law school. A young person makes a huge decision to go to a decent law school. He does well on the LSAT and gets accepted. A law degree (JD) is a big investment in his future. Note the key word INVESTMENT. Bieng a lawyer can be and usually is a very lucrative occupation. So it is safe to say that the INVESTMENT will eventually pay off.

So to sum it up I see a college education as an investment in oneself. I can understand the government giving you money for housing, food, even health care but definately not for INVESTMENTS. Especially if your family can afford to send you (like the threadstarter).

Scolarships are soemthing else. They usually go for talented and less fortunate kids who would be overlooked and eventually lost because of lack or resources ot opportunities. Also most of them don't come out of my tax dollars. they have usually been set up bu private corporations, Individuals or non profit groups.

[mikeyD]

why do you find it sick that americans want free school?

the fact is that many intelligent, yet underprivelaged youths simply cannot afford college. no fucking way, no fucking how. (don't give me student loan bullshit. some peope CANNOT AFFORD TO TAKE OUT STUDENT LOANS.) is that fair? no. i think college should be free. i am entitled to an education, and with rates everincreasing; it's becoming a function for the upper class only; this is not effective for society.

and in terms of aquiring aid: always contact your counselors, requesting book vouchers, grants, and any other monetary benefits they could assist you with.

contacting them is key. trust me.

i've saved thousands of dollars from vouchers / grants that i would otherwise never have obtained had i not made a personal communication with those throughout the college community.

ask for $. =] it can't hurt.

[MT420MT]

Originally Posted by El Tiburon

Well, I just don't believe in handouts. I find it sickening that somebody can go to Medschool and does not have to pay for it. An education costs money and a damm lot of money.

Lets take your example of law school. A young person makes a huge decision to go to a decent law school. He does well on the LSAT and gets accepted. A law degree (JD) is a big investment in his future. Note the key word INVESTMENT. Bieng a lawyer can be and usually is a very lucrative occupation. So it is safe to say that the INVESTMENT will eventually pay off.

So to sum it up I see a college education as an investment in oneself. I can understand the government giving you money for housing, food, even health care but definately not for INVESTMENTS. Especially if your family can afford to send you (like the threadstarter).

Scolarships are soemthing else. They usually go for talented and less fortunate kids who would be overlooked and eventually lost because of lack or resources ot opportunities. Also most of them don't come out of my tax dollars. they have usually been set up bu private corporations, Individuals or non profit groups.

I can see where you're coming from and in a way I agree. However, what I'm saying is I'm in a narrow division of the middle class where I dont qualify for financial aid and my parents aren't so well off that paying for my education is nothing.

My biggest complaint in the post was the fact that I see people getting money for nothing and wasting it, while I intend to use it for the proper purpose and it's harder for me to get.

It's not any more unreasonable for me to ask for a handout seeing as how my parents money (and partially mine as well) helped fund those same programs that I am not qualified to receive aid from. The reason I made this post was because I was talking to one of my friends. She isn't too bad, and she was telling me how she hasn't payed for a single class, gets free money for her books, and her parking tickets are discounted $15. This pissed me off.

One thing you fail to realize is the reason why so much money is WASTED on education. The idea behind it is very good. A more educated workforce = a stronger economy. America needs more college graduates, they want more engineering students, they want more science students. I dont know if you know this but there's a shortage of doctors in this country. People look at their options and they realize that they have no choice but to work for their money and end up getting sucked into a career at ol' McDonalds. This is bad for the country as we have less skilled workers. Also, technology makes it so that less workers are required to produce more stuff. America's economy isn't well suited for unskilled labor, that's why it's important that they have as many college graduates as possible.

The problem I have is the fact that the government is throwing money at kids that may not have what it takes to be a part of the educated, skilled work force that our economy requires. Because of this a lot of the government grants are wasted. Scholarships are a good thing though, and are of course more efficient. People have to prove their value before they receive scholarship money. I dont have statistics but I'm willing to bet that people who received a lot of private scholarships are more likely to graduate than those that just receive government grants.

Also, McDonalds is not gonna cover you while you're in college. You can't eat, have a place to live, pay your tuition, pay for books, parking passes, etc. off minimum wage. I do have a job and it pays, but as you may see it being unfair that someone goes to medical school and doesn't have to pay for it, I find it unfair that I have to pay for it while someone else doesnt. I walk around my campus and find it literred with a bunch of ignorant people, that take the easiest classes possible and barely pass them. They hang out in the quad area all day and it's just a continuation of high school for them. Only difference is now the government is actually paying them to go to school. There's actual welfare programs that pay you to go to school.

El Tiburon, I'm glad you didn't have to ask anyone for money. I try not to also, but when I see everyone having an easier time than me because Uncle Sam is paying their bill I want some too. I also find it funny that you said AMERICANS are the only ones asking for handouts. Isn't hawaii one of the most subsidized states in the union? Native Americans and Hawaiians get the most subsidies in this country. I'm not sure about the exact numbers, but I remember being in Hawaii and I was told the government covers most of the rent if you're a certain percentage hawaiian. I'm not saying that that's you, I love hawaii and I respect hawaiians but they do get more free money than the average American.

Ideally I'd like it if Uncle Sam payed for college based on a very difficult testt, showing that you have the intelligence and will to pass. Anyone willing to study hard enough for it shows that they're hard enough workers and anyone that passes it without studying shows that they're gifted enough to make it through college. That would be ideal. But that would never work because dumb people always find a way to complain. The high school exit exam was ruled unconstitutional because supposedly it was racially biased (because african americans and mexicans weren't able to pass it). There's nothing bias about math and english.

Fuck, I've ranted for too long and I doubt most people will read this whole thing. Oh well, at least I put some good thoughts down.