[Jubacat]

Originally Posted by freestyle raw

ignorance is bliss..... how many relationships you been in?

law and ethics are separate issues, and even if i was of the some opinion as everyone responding to me i cannot make a woman have a kid

i also do not consider it a consequense as much as a result

I have been in one. It is the same woman I have been married to for the last 11 years and she is the only person in the world I trust. If people cannot understand that concept, their loss.

That is true that you cannot make your woman have the kid.

Consequence = result (same thing)

[chardog]

Originally Posted by DeathNTaxes

You sir need to SERIOUSLY consider your life as an unmotivated pizza delivery man who feels like a part-time UPS job is going to cut it for the benefits.

SON. YOU need to get your shit together and start shooting for something that ain't going to make 25/hr seem like a lot of money.

'Cause truth be told that ain't shit for a family of 3.

Also YOU NEED to get a paternity test. I'm sorry it's not about trust, it's not about love, it's not about emotions, IT'S about not getting fucked over. With the sexual freedom and promiscuity that women experience these days YOU NEVER FUCKING KNOW. GET this test if she truly loves you she'll understand.

yeah, you need a paternity, but not necessarily for these reasons. Unmarried men have no rights to their babies regardless of what is said on the birth certificate. Paternity is not automatically granted... it must be pursued. Do some research on the subject(laws vary by state).

[freestyle raw]

Originally Posted by Jubacat

I have been in one. It is the same woman I have been married to for the last 11 years and she is the only person in the world I trust. If people cannot understand that concept, their loss.

That is true that you cannot make your woman have the kid.

Consequence = result (same thing)

same thing yes but consequence usually has a negative connotation........

well you are lucky to have that kind of trust and relationship

i have not been so fortunate, there are many more like me.

and the whole argument here is whether or not this guy should marry a woman because she is having his kid

i dont think it says anywhere that he has to marry her and i think the advice given to "man up"
isnt the best advice

[YeahBee]

Originally Posted by Happy Boy

Although morality is on the decline, it hasn't gone away just yet.

Morality give me a frekkin break more like prudeness and hypocrazy

If they are a happy couple waht does it matter if some dude in a funny hat and collar has said they are together or not?

I am born out of wedlock, my parents had been together for over ten years when I was born and are still toghter 24 years later

[YeahBee]

Originally Posted by chardog

why do you bring up divorce?

Bobby has already mentioned that he wants to marry this chick... he should do it. Most people that live together and dont marry, break up. Divorce is not what hurts the child, the breakup is what hurts the child. Marriage is a failure in america because we have fucked up cultures, and fucked up people. Pre-Marital cohabitation is probably the worst misconceptions of our current culture.

The whole theory goes: if things work out, then good, if not, I'm gonna bail. That has NOTHING to do with what marriage is supposed to be. That is the opposite of marriage.

Isn't the divorce rate over 50% in the western world? Children regardless of marital status must be a huge factor in couples staying together married or not

[Jubacat]

Originally Posted by freestyle raw

same thing yes but consequence usually has a negative connotation........

well you are lucky to have that kind of trust and relationship

i have not been so fortunate, there are many more like me.

and the whole argument here is whether or not this guy should marry a woman because she is having his kid

i dont think it says anywhere that he has to marry her and i think the advice given to "man up"
isnt the best advice

I am lucky and I know it.

I think the manning up is more for the kid than the woman. The kid should not have to go through life without a father.

[YeahBee]

Originally Posted by Happy Boy

The kid will find out at somepoint that he/she was born outside of marriage, its how he/she finds out and what Bob decides to do with this information thats important and how he presents it.

Oh noes my parents were acctual normal human beings that had sex before marriage

[ZainGFY]

I had a friend do it and having another friend do that right now. Friend #1 nearly got divorced twice, and they were seperated a couple times, cheated on eachother, ect.

The 2nd guy used to love this girl (well he loved something,) as soon as she had that baby he doesn't love her.

You should wait to see how it is to live with the person first and see if you can get along....the only one really that is going to be hurting is the kids.

[rail_gun_01]

Originally Posted by YeahBee

Isn't the divorce rate over 50% in the western world?

Yes, it is. Probably even worse nowadays, but Skydaddy forbid certain kinds of people... admit that that's the case.

Marriage does practically nothing for the longevity of a relationship, and aside from the fact that over half of marriages end in divorce, you have to also figure that many couples who stay together do so out of fear / guilt and remain pretty unhappy / unsatisfied for the rest of their lives.

[chardog]

Originally Posted by rail_gun_01

Yes, it is. Probably even worse nowadays, but Skydaddy forbid certain kinds of people... admit that that's the case.

Marriage does practically nothing for the longevity of a relationship, and aside from the fact that over half of marriages end in divorce, you have to also figure that many couples who stay together do so out of fear / guilt and remain pretty unhappy / unsatisfied for the rest of their lives.

more misconceptions: married couples stay together for a long time out of fear/guilt and remain unhappy/unsatisfied.

That's divorce assumption. People assume that once stuck in an unhappy situation, you have two choices:

1. Divorce and be happy

2. Stay married and and be miserable.

they often include the third option:

3. Make you're marriage work and you'll be happy.

They also believe that option 1 is true. But it's not.

A good article on divorce vs unhappily married couples: Unhappy Marriage Better vs Divorce