[Y@}{000]

Originally Posted by childrenofbodom

ok, then it has to with contradictory premises. which is a logical fallacy.
you can't have an irresistible force, god, and an unchangeable will.

Using your logic and limited understanding..yes.

[RobT]

Originally Posted by Y@}{000

Using your logic and limited understanding..yes.

No. You really can't have God with two attributes which are contradictory. God cannot be a sphere and a cube for instance. Just saying "He is God though, he can do what he wants" doesn't resolve it, because the very definitions of sphere and cube mean that something which could be described as one, couldn't possibly be described as the other, no matter what.

You could say that we can't define God by using human ideas, but if that is the case, what is the Bible based on?

[childrenofbodom]

Originally Posted by Y@}{000

Using your logic and limited understanding..yes.

its not my logic, but yes then it is agreed your god is not all powerful. it seems it did have 'something' to do with power after all eh?

[Y@}{000]

Originally Posted by RobT

No. You really can't have God with two attributes which are contradictory. God cannot be a sphere and a cube for instance. Just saying "He is God though, he can do what he wants" doesn't resolve it, because the very definitions of sphere and cube mean that something which could be described as one, couldn't possibly be described as the other, no matter what.

God gives man free will, his will ends ours begins. I personally dont see any problem with it. Afterall we are speaking of God here.

Originally Posted by RobT

You could say that we can't define God by using human ideas, but if that is the case, what is the Bible based on?

The bible is Gods msg to his creation. It does not try to explain the eternal God.

Originally Posted by childrenofbodom

its not my logic, but yes then it is agreed your god is not all powerful. it seems it did have 'something' to do with power after all eh?

lol

[Mens Rea]

Originally Posted by RobT

No. You really can't have God with two attributes which are contradictory. God cannot be a sphere and a cube for instance. Just saying "He is God though, he can do what he wants" doesn't resolve it, because the very definitions of sphere and cube mean that something which could be described as one, couldn't possibly be described as the other, no matter what.

You could say that we can't define God by using human ideas, but if that is the case, what is the Bible based on?

The bigger issue is why someone would put their faith in something which they freely admit that they cannot understand. And why do some say that it takes faith before you can understand and others say that god is totally inexplicable? Either way, the belief in god is irrational at best.

[RobT]

The Bible doesn't try to explain God? So, nowhere in the Bible does it give any characteristics of God?

You keep changing the exact nature of this discussion. No one has said a god could not give people free-will, just that you cannot have a god who is omniscientt and have people with free-will. By the very definition of the terms, it is impossible. Would it not be better for you to take the opinion that God is not fully omniscient?

[Y@}{000]

Originally Posted by RobT

The Bible doesn't try to explain God? So, nowhere in the Bible does it give any characteristics of God?

It does but it does not try to explain every last little detail of how & why God is.

You keep changing the exact nature of this discussion. No one has said a god could not give people free-will, just that you cannot have a god who is omniscientt and have people with free-will. By the very definition of the terms, it is impossible. Would it not be better for you to take the opinion that God is not fully omniscient?

You keep saying that God and free will cannot co-exist using your own limited knowledge and understanding.

If God is God then he can give us free will and allow us to make our own choices.

[childrenofbodom]

Originally Posted by Y@}{000

If God is God then he can give us free will and allow us to make our own choices.

lol.

[Y@}{000]

Originally Posted by Mens Rea

Furthermore, an all knowing and all powerful god is in itself paradoxical.

If God is real then he would be paradoxical from our perspective.