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10-04-2006, 01:41 AM
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A Christian answers tough questions from Harvard audience
Here are some great answers to questions you may ask (or think). There are lots of other Q & A sessions on the website at different settings and universities if anyone wants to hear more. This is Ravi Zacharias (again) and it is after a series of talks he gave at a Harvard forum. Definitely a tough audience...
If you are tempted to respond to this thread and say something like "why would I ever care what kind of reasoning a Christian uses, as they are so narrowminded" I challenge you to listen to these first. IMO he provides excellent answers and represents the side extremely well. Even if you disagree with him, I am sure you will find this to be stimulating if you have an interest in the topic. This guy is absolutely brilliant. Try to keep an open mind 
Part 1:
http://media.gospelcom.net/rzim/JT/MP3/JTHQA-1.mp3
Part 2:
http://media.gospelcom.net/rzim/JT/MP3/JTHQA-2.mp3
Part 3:
http://media.gospelcom.net/rzim/JT/MP3/JTHQA-3.mp3
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Last edited by AJax; 10-04-2006 at 01:53 AM.
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10-04-2006, 03:59 PM
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Jude 1:10-16
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Originally Posted by AJax
Here are some great answers to questions you may ask (or think). There are lots of other Q & A sessions on the website at different settings and universities if anyone wants to hear more. This is Ravi Zacharias (again) and it is after a series of talks he gave at a Harvard forum. Definitely a tough audience...
If you are tempted to respond to this thread and say something like "why would I ever care what kind of reasoning a Christian uses, as they are so narrowminded" I challenge you to listen to these first. IMO he provides excellent answers and represents the side extremely well. Even if you disagree with him, I am sure you will find this to be stimulating if you have an interest in the topic. This guy is absolutely brilliant. Try to keep an open mind
Part 1:
http://media.gospelcom.net/rzim/JT/MP3/JTHQA-1.mp3
Part 2:
http://media.gospelcom.net/rzim/JT/MP3/JTHQA-2.mp3
Part 3:
http://media.gospelcom.net/rzim/JT/MP3/JTHQA-3.mp3 |
I still havent had a chance to listen to the others from your other thread (been real busy lately) but I look forward to it. I will also be dl'n these and listening to them when I hve a few hours some afternoon. thx for posting.
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10-04-2006, 04:12 PM
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just like last time, pure crap...
but hey again, list what you thought were good arguments..
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10-04-2006, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by childrenofbodom
just like last time, pure crap...
but hey again, list what you thought were good arguments..
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You didn't even listen to them.
"list what you thought were good arguments" is just an excuse so you won't have to listen to the .mp3s and so the thread starter will post the gist of the audio recordings.
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10-04-2006, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by childrenofbodom
just like last time, pure crap...
but hey again, list what you thought were good arguments..
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Why not you say what were crap arguments instead. It is you who has made the statement after all.
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10-04-2006, 04:34 PM
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well heres the thing, just like the last audio crap, ravi is merely a sophist will a lot of bs rhetoric... just like bill craig.
ok just to entertain you for a second, let me preface it with this. it matters not how well i address, refute, or debunk any of this bs. the thread starter has in the past not offered any apologetic and i feel isn't up to par intellectually to debate any issues...
now when ravi idiotically dribbles on and on about presuppositions, he postulates that in order to make a moral statement you need a moral law giver.... now how irrelevant is that? also he postulates that the law giver must be god.... question begging, wishful thoughts, strawmen...
his lectures are about how many fallacies, informal or formal kforcer, he can use to effectively say nothing.
he says there is ample and 'overwhelming' evidence of this? where? how?
he conflates meaning we attribute, as in a question or statement with the world, which in fact objectively doesn't have meaning or purpose. it just is.
the problem here is you people are just stupid enough to swallow this bs by the spoonful and not defend it well when confronted.
ok we'll stop there until you guys can address some of the things i've brought up.
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10-04-2006, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by childrenofbodom
well heres the thing, just like the last audio crap, ravi is merely a sophist will a lot of bs rhetoric... just like bill craig.
ok just to entertain you for a second, let me preface it with this. it matters not how well i address, refute, or debunk any of this bs. the thread starter has in the past not offered any apologetic and i feel isn't up to par intellectually to debate any issues...
now when ravi idiotically dribbles on and on about presuppositions, he postulates that in order to make a moral statement you need a moral law giver.... now how irrelevant is that? also he postulates that the law giver must be god.... question begging, wishful thoughts, strawmen...
his lectures are about how many fallacies, informal or formal kforcer, he can use to effectively say nothing.
he says there is ample and 'overwhelming' evidence of this? where? how?
he conflates meaning we attribute, as in a question or statement with the world, which in fact objectively doesn't have meaning or purpose. it just is.
the problem here is you people are just stupid enough to swallow this bs by the spoonful and not defend it well when confronted.
ok we'll stop there until you guys can address some of the things i've brought up.
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How is it that you disagree so strongly with it but cannot actually come up with any relevant argument against it.
"It just is"??????
Sorry, was that your personal scientific conclusion or just your own opinion? Either way, you say it like you know something that is unknowable.
And the part about the law giver. Not that I will say that I completely agree with anything and everything he says (I have never heard of him before now), but I think that what he was getting at was quite a good point that often is raised by atheists.
Atheists (evolutionists?) will argue that there is no right and wrong. There is no such thing as good and evil. We are just a chemical reaction in motion. Right and wrong, good and evil all do not exist and are just perceptions that we have developed from our chemical reactions. In theory, with those should come pity, guilt, sadness, reason, logic etc. You think all this is here without a God?
Atheists will then go on to say "If there is a God, why is the world so full of EVIL?" and "If there is a God, why couldn't he get it RIGHT first time?".
See the mans point?
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10-04-2006, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by The Pink Panthe
How is it that you disagree so strongly with it but cannot actually come up with any relevant argument against it.
"It just is"??????
Sorry, was that your personal scientific conclusion or just your own opinion? Either way, you say it like you know something that is unknowable.
And the part about the law giver. Not that I will say that I completely agree with anything and everything he says (I have never heard of him before now), but I think that what he was getting at was quite a good point that often is raised by atheists.
Atheists (evolutionists?) will argue that there is no right and wrong. There is no such thing as good and evil. We are just a chemical reaction in motion. Right and wrong, good and evil all do not exist and are just perceptions that we have developed from our chemical reactions. In theory, with those should come pity, guilt, sadness, reason, logic etc. You think all this is here without a God?
Atheists will then go on to say "If there is a God, why is the world so full of EVIL?" and "If there is a God, why couldn't he get it RIGHT first time?".
See the mans point?
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People can't help that morals have are ingrained genetically into their behavior and thought processes. That doesn't have anything to do with the fact that morality may or may not be subjective (not objective and authoritative) and that there may or may not be a "real" right and wrong.
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10-04-2006, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by HUNTERMANIA!!!
People can't help that morals have are ingrained genetically into their behavior and thought processes. That doesn't have anything to do with the fact that morality may or may not be subjective (not objective and authoritative) and that there may or may not be a "real" right and wrong.
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What?
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10-04-2006, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by The Pink Panthe
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You are saying the same people who claim there are no morals talk about all the "evil" which is an apparent contradiction. Right?
I'm saying in response to that: Morality is ingrained into humans genetically, it is a natural inclination for ANYONE regardless of religious affiliation to say "look at the evil in the world." That does not mean that there is or is not a god or that morality is or is not subjective/objective/authoritative/whatever.
Hopefully I made that clearer, it was a little confusing in my first post.
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