My short speech on why Boxing is more dangerous than MMA. UPDATED

[Christian Hendo]

Speech is to inform, so yeah, get ready to be informed. I just started on this and have like another week before I have to present it. It ends kind of abruptly atm but that's because I have no conclusion and I need to get some more info, so i'm posting it here first. Speech is supposed to be 3-5 minutes.

On April 30th, 2009, a young man by the name of Benjamin Flores stepped into the ring at the Anatole Hotel in Dallas, Texas. Since he was fighting for the Bantamweight title, Flores was scheduled to fight for 12 rounds against the tough Al Seeger. During the 8th round, Seeger cornered Flores and unleased punch after punch on the 24 year old Mexican native. The referee was forced to stop the fight and sent Flores back to his corner for the standard standing 8 count. When Flores made it to his corner, he could barely sit down and asked to lay on the canvas of the ring. Soon later, Benjamin lost consciousness and ultimately left the ring on a stretcher, losing the fight. He was taken to Parkland Memorial Hospital to undergo immediate brain surgery for his devastating injuries, and 5 days later on May 5th, 2009, Benjamin Flores died.

This is not the first death in the world of boxing, but it is the most recent out of over 30 boxing related deaths. People often compare boxing to mixed martial arts, saying that they are two of the most dangerous sports today. Mixed Martial Arts is a sport that incorporates boxing, judo, wrestling, and many other styles of fighting, but while Mixed Martial Arts is ofcourse dangerous, boxing is much more dangerous. Boxing uses ten 3-minute rounds for non championship fights, and twelve 3-minute rounds for championship fights. MMA bouts are either three 5-minute rounds, or five 5-minute rounds. If you do the math, they might come out to about the same, but really people are naturally designed to be able to take a punch to the jaw and go out cold for 5 seconds. If your body goes limp and hits the ground and you get kncoked out, that's your body's way of telling you to stop because you've had enough. People are not designed to have our brian cells hammered repeatedly while we're dehydrated for 12 rounds. The standing 8 count is another very deadly aspect of boxing. The standing 8 count occurs when a fighter is still standing, but the ropes are the only thing holding them on their feet. The referee will stop the bout, and send both fighters to neutral corners for 8 seconds before resuming the fight. But shouldn't the referee call the fight if a fighter can't even stand without leaning all his weight against something? In MMA fights, if a fighter even takes 3-4 quick shots to the face and they are all unanswered, the referee will immediately stop the fight. The only true comparison the sports have in common are the gloves. But while boxing gloves have bigger impact due to their extra padding and weight, the extra padding isn't there on the smaller 4 oz MMA to help avoid the quick knockouts like in boxing.

For all of these, injuries are sustained much more often than in boxing, and fighters have head trauma, vision problems, and can lead to death like you saw in Benjamin Flores' case. Parkinson's disease is also a known syndrome associated with boxers that affects motor skills, speech, and sometimes stops movement altogether. The most noteworthy boxer who suffered Parkinson's disease is Muhammed Ali. No mixed martial artists are known to have sustained head injuries as severe as the cases in boxing, which is due to the difference in gloves, the 8 count of boxing, and the repeated head punches from boxing that just aren't seen in MMA.

updated...

On April 30th, 2009, a young man by the name of Benjamin Flores stepped into the ring at the Anatole Hotel in Dallas, Texas. Since he was fighting for the Bantamweight title, Flores was scheduled to fight for 12 rounds against the tough Al Seeger. During the 8th round, Seeger cornered Flores and unleased punch after punch on the 24 year old Mexican native. The referee was forced to stop the fight and sent Flores back to his corner. When Flores made it to his corner, he could barely sit down and asked to lay on the canvas of the ring. Soon later, Benjamin lost consciousness and ultimately left the ring on a stretcher, losing the fight. He was taken to Parkland Memorial Hospital to undergo immediate brain surgery for his devastating injuries, and 5 days later on May 5th, 2009, Benjamin Flores died.

This is not the first death in the world of boxing, infact according to the Journal of Combative Sport it is the most recent out of over 1100 boxing related deaths. People often compare boxing to mixed martial arts, saying that they are two of the most dangerous sports today. Mixed Martial Arts is a sport that incorporates boxing, judo, wrestling, and many other styles of fighting, but only 3 people have died in the near century of the sport. While Mixed Martial Arts is ofcourse dangerous, boxing is much more dangerous. The three main reasons boxing is more dangerous than MMA is because of the repeated shots to the head in boxing, dangerous near-knockouts that are allowed to continue, and diseases that affect boxers for much of their life.

Professional boxing uses a pre-set number of rounds, and can be anywhere from eight rounds for normal fights to twelve rounds for championship bouts.. MMA bouts are either three 5-minute rounds, or five 5-minute rounds. If you do the math, boxing fights are a little longer than MMA fights. But in boxing, over a hundred punches are thrown every round, and most of them are to the head. People are not designed to have our brian cells hammered repeatedly while we're dehydrated and tired for 12 rounds. In MMA, most fights are taken to a decision not because of standup and striking eachother, but because ground game and jiu jitsu which means "gentle art" in Japanese. Demian Maia, a JiuJitsu blackbelt once said "I don't want to hurt the guy, I just want to end it with a quick submission."

In MMA, fighters could win a fight by submission in the first few seconds of a fight, or even in the last few. In boxing, fights are usually prolongued until the later rounds, and while taking all those punches to the head, boxers are knocked down and according to the National Library of Medicine, people can suffer a mild concussion but still get up before the 10 count is over. If your body goes limp and hits the ground and you are knocked out cold, that's your body's way of telling you to stop because you've had enough. These mild concussions cause more damage to the brain tissue, especially if they continue without medical help.

Bad medical conditions can occur if boxers suffer a lot of punches to their head over time. The most famous boxer of all time Muhammed Ali has been suffering from Parkinson's Syndrome since 1984, a disease that is related to severe head trauma and in Ali's case, from boxing. The disease, along with other boxing related diseases like Chronic traumatic brain injury (20% of boxers) can affect movement, behavioral patterns, and very slurred speech. When head trauma occurs over and over again in a boxer it can lead to dementia pugilistica or punch drunk syndrome, which occurs in over 15% of boxers and develops over a period of over 15 years. It can affect your motor skills and makes you confused, basically deteriorating your memory and leading to Alzheimer's disease. Sugar Ray Robinson was ranked by Ali as the #1 boxer of all time and died from the disease when he was only 62. The most publicly known case of punch drunk syndrome is Chris Benoit, the professional wrestler who tragically killed his family before taking his own life.

Because of these three main facts, the head punches, the dangerous knockouts, and the boxing related diseases, boxing is all around more dangerous than mixed martial arts.

Should be good after I get a conclusion.. what do ya'll think

[HoyBoi]

Where are you presenting this? Who's your audience?

[Christian Hendo]

my college class, I assume they have 0 MMA knowlege so I have to keep it basic, if I get all technical I bet they (including my professor) will be like WTF?? i'm sure after I explain the standing 8 count they will be like "what the fuck is this guy talking about"

[bloosteak]

I remember the freshman year speech class. I think overall you have too much detail and this like "No mixed martial artists are known to have sustained head injuries as severe as the cases in boxing, which is due to the difference in gloves, the 8 count of boxing, and the repeated head punches from boxing that just aren't seen in MMA." just doesn't work at all.

The main point is in boxing you can repeatedly sustain traumatic blows to the head and still continue while if it happens once in MMA you're done. But that point is kind of buried in your speech.

[vv44]

Originally Posted by Christian Hendo

Boxing uses ten 3-minute rounds for non championship fights, and twelve 3-minute rounds for championship fights.

Absolutely untrue.

The standing 8 count occurs when a fighter is still standing, but the ropes are the only thing holding them on their feet.

Also fictitious.

I hope you get an F.

[OneInchPunch]

I don't disagree with anything you say.

I'm not sure all of your facts are well supported, but nothing outrageous.

For a tip on presenting something like this, try this format:
Tell them what you are going to tell them;
Tell them; and then
Tell them what you just told them.

With the above approach, somewhere in the whirlwind of discussion, the masses catch a glimpse of you point and begin to understand.

Good luck, just don't expect you audience to be sympathetic.

War class presentation!!

[Nerfherder]

Go away.

[Christian Hendo]

Originally Posted by vv44

Absolutely untrue.



Also fictitious.

I hope you get an F.

which is why I posted it a week before I presented it, to get my info straight. ya fuck.

Originally Posted by OneInchPunch

I don't disagree with anything you say.

I'm not sure all of your facts are well supported, but nothing outrageous.

For a tip on presenting something like this, try this format:
Tell them what you are going to tell them;
Tell them; and then
Tell them what you just told them.

With the above approach, somewhere in the whirlwind of discussion, the masses catch a glimpse of you point and begin to understand.

Good luck, just don't expect you audience to be sympathetic.

War class presentation!!

Thanks, at first I was just trying to find a lot of information on boxing then I was going to narrow it down to a few main points and base it around those. But yeah as long as I get most of my points down I should be good.

Originally Posted by Nerfherder

Go away.

+1 is always fun

[JJ]

Originally Posted by christian hendo

speech is to inform, so yeah, get ready to be informed. I just started on this and have like another week before i have to present it. It ends kind of abruptly atm but that's because i have no conclusion and i need to get some more info, so i'm posting it here first. Speech is supposed to be 3-5 minutes.

On april 30th, 2009, a young man by the name of benjamin flores stepped into the ring at the anatole hotel in dallas, texas. Since he was fighting for the bantamweight title, flores was scheduled to fight for 12 rounds against the tough al seeger. During the 8th round, seeger cornered flores and unleased punch after punch on the 24 year old mexican native. The referee was forced to stop the fight and sent flores back to his corner for the standard standing 8 count. When flores made it to his corner, he could barely sit down and asked to lay on the canvas of the ring. Soon later, benjamin lost consciousness and ultimately left the ring on a stretcher, losing the fight. He was taken to parkland memorial hospital to undergo immediate brain surgery for his devastating injuries, and 5 days later on may 5th, 2009, benjamin flores died.

This is not the first death in the world of boxing, but it is the most recent out of over 30 boxing related deaths. People often compare boxing to mixed martial arts, saying that they are two of the most dangerous sports today. Mixed martial arts is a sport that incorporates boxing, judo, wrestling, and many other styles of fighting, but while mixed martial arts is ofcourse dangerous, boxing is much more dangerous. Boxing uses ten 3-minute rounds for non championship fights, and twelve 3-minute rounds for championship fights. Mma bouts are either three 5-minute rounds, or five 5-minute rounds. If you do the math, they might come out to about the same, but really people are naturally designed to be able to take a punch to the jaw and go out cold for 5 seconds. If your body goes limp and hits the ground and you get kncoked out, that's your body's way of telling you to stop because you've had enough. People are not designed to have our brian cells hammered repeatedly while we're dehydrated for 12 rounds. The standing 8 count is another very deadly aspect of boxing. The standing 8 count occurs when a fighter is still standing, but the ropes are the only thing holding them on their feet. The referee will stop the bout, and send both fighters to neutral corners for 8 seconds before resuming the fight. But shouldn't the referee call the fight if a fighter can't even stand without leaning all his weight against something? In mma fights, if a fighter even takes 3-4 quick shots to the face and they are all unanswered, the referee will immediately stop the fight. The only true comparison the sports have in common are the gloves. But while boxing gloves have bigger impact due to their extra padding and weight, the extra padding isn't there on the smaller 4 oz mma to help avoid the quick knockouts like in boxing.

For all of these, injuries are sustained much more often than in boxing, and fighters have head trauma, vision problems, and can lead to death like you saw in benjamin flores' case. Parkinson's disease is also a known syndrome associated with boxers that affects motor skills, speech, and sometimes stops movement altogether. The most noteworthy boxer who suffered parkinson's disease is muhammed ali. No mixed martial artists are known to have sustained head injuries as severe as the cases in boxing, which is due to the difference in gloves, the 8 count of boxing, and the repeated head punches from boxing that just aren't seen in mma.

tl;dr

[Christian Hendo]

Oh, and I'm changing this "Boxing uses ten 3-minute rounds for non championship fights, and twelve 3-minute rounds for championship fights." to this "Boxing uses a pre-set number of rounds, and can be anywhere from eight rounds for normal fights to twelve rounds for championship bouts."

and vv44 would you like to explain the standing 8 count more in depth?